Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 Match Day 5

[Futbolmetrix]

Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

While we wait for the end of MD4...

What to do
-----------

Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?

*Home*
- Before Thursday (= before 2024/9/11, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches

*Away*
=- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their
teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2024/9/14
- Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't
picked any team, you have free choice; if she is Lassie and there is a
tie, disregard the last vote)
=- their opponents will represent your opponent

*ATTENTION: NEW RULE*: If the away player doesn't pick any team before
his/her deadline, the home player will be represented by the team that
achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams. If the home
player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away player can
pick two teams (one from each match), and he/she will be represented by
the team that achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.
If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.

Fixtures
--------

Tier 1

milivella - The Doctor
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna


Tier 2

MH - Jesper Lauridsen
Tottenham - Arsenal
Genoa - Roma


Inter-tier match

Futbolmetrix - Werner Pichler
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna


Tier 3

Lléo - Mark
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna

Blueshirt - Jesus Petry
Tottenham - Arsenal
Genoa - Roma

[Blueshirt]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA
Match Day 5
Tier 3
Lléo - Mark
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna
Blueshirt - Jesus Petry
Tottenham - Arsenal
Genoa - Roma

Genoa and Arsenal

[Jesus Petry]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA
Match Day 5
Tier 3
Lléo - Mark
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna
Blueshirt - Jesus Petry
Tottenham - Arsenal
Genoa - Roma

Genoa and Arsenal

Roma.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

[milivella]

milivella        -    The Doctor
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

I pick Fulham (nicer players) and Bologna (stronger team).

[The Doctor]

Post by milivella

milivella        -    The Doctor
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

I pick Fulham (nicer players) and Bologna (stronger team).

West Ham!

Post by milivella
--
Cheers
milivella

[milivella]

Post by The Doctor

Post by milivella

milivella        -    The Doctor
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

I pick Fulham (nicer players) and Bologna (stronger team).

West Ham!

Doctor, it will be a honour to give you a lesson.

--

[Lléo]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5
Tier 3
Lléo        -    Mark
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

I'll go with Fulham and Bologna.


Best regards,

Lléo

[Mark]

Post by Lléo

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match
Day 5 Tier 3
Lléo        -    Mark
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

I'll go with Fulham and Bologna.
Best regards,
Lléo

West Ham

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5
Futbolmetrix - Werner Pichler
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna

Cottagers and the Great Team that makes the world tremble ("che tremare
il mondo fa"). An obvious choice, as I have always hated the Lakers.

[Werner Pichler]

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5
Futbolmetrix - Werner Pichler
Fulham - West Ham
Como - Bologna

Cottagers and the Great Team that makes the world tremble ("che tremare
il mondo fa"). An obvious choice, as I have always hated the Lakers.

Como is a beautiful place though, so an easy pick
(plus there’s also Matthias Braunöder and his Ralph
Wiggum haircut).

From the honestly delightful book ‘Giuletta è ‘na
zoccola’ I have at home that collected the best striscioni of the 80‘s and
90‘s I remember one from
their Varesotto neighbours that said ‘voi comaschi
noi co le femmine’, but there‘s no problem with that
either is there.

Ciao,
Werner

[milivella]

Post by Werner Pichler
From the honestly delightful book ‘Giuletta è ‘na
zoccola’ I have at home that collected the best striscioni of the 80‘s and
90‘s I remember one from
their Varesotto neighbours that said ‘voi comaschi
noi co le femmine’, but there‘s no problem with that
either is there.

You are the guide to Italian football folklore for at least one Italian.
You may want to put it on your CV.

Explanation of the ban(n|t)er: the name of the inhabitants of Como is
Comaschi. But "co' maschi" = "coi maschi" = "with males". So when you
start to read the sentence, you interpret it as "You inhabitants with
Como", but when you read the rest "we with females", you reinterpret
the first part. (Unfortunately homophoby is not so dead that I have to
explain why this was considered an insult.)

[I should have asked ChatGPT to explain in order to save time. ...But
can ChatGPT explain it? It involves puns (and Italian), not a strong
point of current AIs. Time for a little test:
- GPT4o: "Varese fans are mocking Como fans by implying that while
people from Como are perhaps inferior or preoccupied with something else
(maybe the game), Varese fans are associating themselves with "being
with women," possibly implying superiority, virility, or attractiveness."
- Claude 3 Opus: "By dropping the letter "n," the phrase "co le femmine"
sounds similar to "colle femmine," which could be translated as "hills
women." This banner is likely a mocking or insulting message directed at
the Como fans, implying that while the Como fans are from the city, the
Varese fans are with the women from the hills (possibly referring to the
area around Varese, which is known for its hills and lakes)."
- Gemini 1.5 Pro: fail "This phrase implies that Varese fans are
sexually involved with the wives or girlfriends of Como supporters."
Conclusion: I still can't save time, but at least while I waste time
testing AIs, I have a laug

[Werner Pichler]

Post by milivella

 From the honestly delightful book ‘Giuletta è ‘na
zoccola’ I have at home that collected the best striscioni of the 80‘s and
90‘s I remember one from
their Varesotto neighbours that said ‘voi comaschi
noi co le femmine’, but there‘s no problem with that
either is there.

You are the guide to Italian football folklore for at least one Italian.
You may want to put it on your CV.
Explanation of the ban(n|t)er: the name of the inhabitants of Como is
Comaschi. But "co' maschi" = "coi maschi" = "with males". So when you
start to read the sentence, you interpret it as "You inhabitants with
Como",  but when you read the rest "we with females", you reinterpret
the first part. (Unfortunately homophoby is not so dead that I have to
explain why this was considered an insult.)
[I should have asked ChatGPT to explain in order to save time. ...But
can ChatGPT explain it? It involves puns (and Italian), not a strong
- GPT4o: "Varese fans are mocking Como fans by implying that while
people from Como are perhaps inferior or preoccupied with something else
(maybe the game), Varese fans are associating themselves with "being
with women," possibly implying superiority, virility, or attractiveness."
- Claude 3 Opus: "By dropping the letter "n," the phrase "co le femmine"
sounds similar to "colle femmine," which could be translated as "hills
women." This banner is likely a mocking or insulting message directed at
the Como fans, implying that while the Como fans are from the city, the
Varese fans are with the women from the hills (possibly referring to the
area around Varese, which is known for its hills and lakes)."
- Gemini 1.5 Pro: fail "This phrase implies that Varese fans are
sexually involved with the wives or girlfriends of Como supporters."
Conclusion: I still can't save time, but at least while I waste time
testing AIs, I have a laugh.]

Now I kind of wonder what AI would make out of my favourite striscione
in that book:
'Semo tutti parrucchieri' - Fiorentina-Roma April 2001 (Roma's scudetto
season), thousands of Roma away fans in attendance in Stadio Artemio
Franchi despite the match having been postponed to a Monday for security
reasons.


Ciao,
Werner

[Jesus Petry]

Post by Werner Pichler
Now I kind of wonder what AI would make out of my favourite striscione
'Semo tutti parrucchieri' - Fiorentina-Roma April 2001 (Roma's scudetto
season), thousands of Roma away fans in attendance in Stadio Artemio
Franchi despite the match having been postponed to a Monday for security
reasons.

I had to Google to understand this one. Here the barbers have no
problem with working Mondays.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

[milivella]

Post by Werner Pichler
Now I kind of wonder what AI would make out of my favourite striscione
'Semo tutti parrucchieri' - Fiorentina-Roma April 2001 (Roma's scudetto
season), thousands of Roma away fans in attendance in Stadio Artemio
Franchi despite the match having been postponed to a Monday for security
reasons.

 I had to Google to understand this one. Here the barbers have no
problem with working Mondays.

I had to google it because

[milivella]

Post by Werner Pichler
Now I kind of wonder what AI would make out of my favourite striscione
'Semo tutti parrucchieri' - Fiorentina-Roma April 2001 (Roma's scudetto
season), thousands of Roma away fans in attendance in Stadio Artemio
Franchi despite the match having been postponed to a Monday for security
reasons.

I love you, but I hate you. I am supposed to do important things like
managing Fantasy Scout and shit.

First of all, "semo tutti parrucchieri" = "we are all hairdressers" in
the Roman dialect. Hairdressers do not work on Monday. I had to check
the web to get it, so 0 points for milAIvella.

---

*ChatGPT4o* knew it:

"The banner "Semo tutti parrucchieri" ("We are all hairdressers" in
Roman dialect) displayed by Roma fans at the Fiorentina-Roma match in
April 2001 was a humorous and sarcastic response to a decision made by
the Italian authorities to reschedule the match from Sunday to Monday
for security reasons.

Here’s the background: The Italian authorities, fearing violence between
rival fans, moved the match to Monday in an attempt to reduce the number
of traveling Roma supporters. They believed that a weekday game would
discourage many fans from attending, as they would have work or other
obligations. However, thousands of Roma fans still made the trip to
Florence.

By displaying the banner "Semo tutti parrucchieri," the Roma supporters
were poking fun at the idea that they were all hairdressers. This was
because hairdressers traditionally had Mondays off in Italy, which meant
they could easily attend the match despite the rescheduling.
Essentially, the banner was a witty way for the fans to mock the
authorities' assumption that moving the match to Monday would prevent
them from showing up. It highlighted the fact that they were still able
to attend, regardless of the day of the week."

---

Llama 3.1 405b did not knew it:

"I cannot verify the reasons behind the banner "Semo tutti parrucchieri"
displayed by Roma fans at the match."

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*Gemini 1.5 Pro* had tried the same substance as yesterday:

"The banner "Semo tutti parrucchieri" ("We are all hairdressers" in
Roman dialect) displayed by Roma fans in Florence in April 2001 was a
sarcastic response to a security measure taken by Florentine authorities.

Here's the context:

High tensions: Matches between Fiorentina and Roma were known for being
heated affairs with a history of hooliganism.

Postponement and restrictions: Due to fears of violence, the match was
postponed from Sunday to Monday. Additionally, authorities tried to
limit the number of Roma fans attending by only allowing entry to those
with proof of residence in Florence and the surrounding province.

Sarcastic protest: The "Semo tutti parrucchieri" banner was a way for
Roma fans to mock the authorities' attempt to limit their presence. It
implied that they had all falsely claimed to be hairdressers residing in
Florence just to attend the game.

This incident became famous for highlighting the absurdity of the
situation and the lengths football fans would go to support their teams,
even in the face of restrictions. It also underscored the deep-seated
rivalry between the two clubs."

---

But today I will go to Claude 3 Opus' pusher. He's evidently got the
good one:

"The Roma fans displayed the banner "Semo tutti parrucchieri" (which
translates to "We are all hairdressers") as a show of solidarity with
their captain Francesco Totti.

A few days before the match, Totti had been involved in an altercation
with Fiorentina midfielder Enzo Maresca during a Italy national team
training session. Maresca had reportedly insulted Totti, calling him a
"hairdresser" (parrucchiere in Italian), likely referring to Totti's
well-groomed appearance.

The Roma fans, known for their fierce loyalty to Totti, decided to
embrace the insult and turn it into a message of unity. By proclaiming
"We are all hairdressers," they were essentially saying that if Totti
was a hairdresser, then so were all of them, and that they stood behind
their captain no matter what.

The banner became an iconic moment in the history of Roma's supporters
and a testament to their unwavering support for Francesco Totti, who
spent his entire career with the club and is widely considered one of
th

[milivella]

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5
Futbolmetrix        -    Werner Pichler
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna

Cottagers and the Great Team that makes the world tremble ("che tremare
il mondo fa"). An obvious choice, as I have always hated the Lakers.

In case anyone is confused about why:

- The Los Angeles one, because Futbolmetrix is a Bostonite.

- The Como one, because since 1975 (roughly the Futbolmetrix era, and in
any case the Juventus power* era), they have impressively managed to win
or draw as many matches vs. Juve as they lost:
https://www.juworld.net/squadre-partite.asp?Pagina=1&idsquadra=17&Competizione=0&st=0
(11 Juve wins vs. 10 draws vs. 1 Como win)

* Let's not specify what kin

[MH]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5
While we wait for the end of MD4...
What to do
-----------
Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
*Home*
- Before Thursday (= before 2024/9/11, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches
*Away*
=- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their
teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2024/9/14
- Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't
picked any team, you have free choice; if she is Lassie and there is a
tie, disregard the last vote)
=- their opponents will represent your opponent
*ATTENTION: NEW RULE*: If the away player doesn't pick any team before
his/her deadline, the home player will be represented by the team that
achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.    If the home
player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away player can
pick two teams (one from each match), and he/she will be represented by
the team that achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.
If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.
Fixtures
--------
Tier 1
milivella        -    The Doctor
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna
Tier 2
MH        -    Jesper Lauridsen
    Tottenham    -    Arsenal
    Genoa    -    Roma

1. Arsenal
2. Roma

Post by Futbolmetrix
Inter-tier match
Futbolmetrix        -    Werner Pichler
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna
Tier 3
Lléo        -    Mark
    Fulham    -    West Ham
    Como    -    Bologna
Blueshirt        -    Jesus Petry
    Tottenham    -    Arsenal
    Genoa    -    Roma

[Jesper Lauridsen]

Post by MH

Post by Futbolmetrix
*Home*
- Before Thursday (= before 2024/9/11, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches
*ATTENTION: NEW RULE*: If the away player doesn't pick any team before
his/her deadline, the home player will be represented by the team that
achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.    If the home
player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away player can
pick two teams (one from each match), and he/she will be represented by
the team that achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.
If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.
MH        -    Jesper Lauridsen
     Tottenham    -    Arsenal
     Genoa    -    Roma

1. Arsenal
2. Roma

Clever play to pick after the deadline. Now the opponent have to wrestle
with either ignoring it or sticking to the rules in this crusial, season
defining match. And if you do stick to the rules, how humiliating will
it be to then lose, despite having to match to get the result in.
Perhaps it's best to not pick at all, and just leave it to random?

But random also involves the game master, so...

Genoa & Arsenal

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Jesper Lauridsen

Post by MH

Post by Futbolmetrix
*Home*
- Before Thursday (= before 2024/9/11, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches
*ATTENTION: NEW RULE*: If the away player doesn't pick any team before
his/her deadline, the home player will be represented by the team that
achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.    If the home
player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away player can
pick two teams (one from each match), and he/she will be represented by
the team that achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.
If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.
MH        -    Jesper Lauridsen
     Tottenham    -    Arsenal
     Genoa    -    Roma

1. Arsenal
2. Roma

Clever play to pick after the deadline. Now the opponent have to wrestle
with either ignoring it or sticking to the rules in this crusial, season
defining match. And if you do stick to the rules, how humiliating will
it be to then lose, despite having to match to get the result in.
Perhaps it's best to not pick at all, and just leave it to random?
But random also involves the game master, so...
Genoa & Arsenal

MH's play did come after the deadline, so Jesper's picks are Genoa and
Arsenal, and he'll get the best outcome of the two.

(Don't blame me, I learned all my gamemastering from milivella!)

[milivella]

Post by Futbolmetrix
(Don't blame me, I learned all my gamemastering from milivella!)

Always two, there are. No more. No less.

[MH]

Post by Jesper Lauridsen

Post by MH

Post by Futbolmetrix
*Home*
- Before Thursday (= before 2024/9/11, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches
*ATTENTION: NEW RULE*: If the away player doesn't pick any team before
his/her deadline, the home player will be represented by the team that
achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.    If the home
player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away player can
pick two teams (one from each match), and he/she will be represented by
the team that achieves the best outcome out of his/her two picked teams.
If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.
MH        -    Jesper Lauridsen
     Tottenham    -    Arsenal
     Genoa    -    Roma

1. Arsenal
2. Roma

Clever play to pick after the deadline. Now the opponent have to wrestle
with either ignoring it or sticking to the rules in this crusial, season
defining match. And if you do stick to the rules, how humiliating will
it be to then lose, despite having to match to get the result in.
Perhaps it's best to not pick at all, and just leave it to random?
But random also involves the game master, so...
Genoa & Arsenal

Apologies, I had in-laws from Belgium visiting, and we were travelling
and in a different time zone. I read too quickly that entries were due
before Thursday, and put mine in while it was still Weds where I was.

Incidentally, given that most picked matches seem to be Sunday ones, why
is the entry time so (Weds lunch time for me) most weeks ?

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by MH
Apologies, I had in-laws from Belgium visiting, and we were travelling
and in a different time zone. I read too quickly that entries were due
before Thursday, and put mine in while it was still Weds where I was.

Sorry, but the message explicitly says that the deadline is Wednesday,
23:59 GMT. I will have to be inflexible on this one (blame milivella)

Post by MH
Incidentally, given that most picked matches seem to be Sunday ones, why
is the entry time so (Weds lunch time for me) most weeks ?

You want to enjoy the beautiful views of the Canadian Rockies? Pay the
price with an early UPT deadline! (blame milivella here too) (Also, a
lot of the matches are Saturday ones)

[MH]

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by MH
Apologies, I had in-laws from Belgium visiting, and we were travelling
and in a different time zone.  I read too quickly that entries were due
before Thursday, and put mine in while it was still Weds where I was.

Sorry, but the message explicitly says that the deadline is Wednesday,
23:59 GMT. I will have to be inflexible on this one (blame milivella)

I know, I saw that after. Reading in haste I just saw before Thursday.
I am not asking for special treatment or anything.

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by MH
Incidentally, given that most picked matches seem to be Sunday ones, why
is the entry time so (Weds lunch time for me) most weeks ?

You want to enjoy the beautiful views of the Canadian Rockies? Pay the
price with an early UPT deadline! (blame milivella here too) (Also, a
lot of the matches are Saturday ones)

It was all easier when I had a more regular schedule. Serves me right
for retiring, and making it a half baked retirement where I still work
most days on top of that.

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

The four matches picked this round:

Fulham - West Ham
1-1, West Ham scoring the equalizer at 90+5'

Como - Bologna
2-2, Bologna with the equalizer at 90+1'

Genoa - Roma
1-1, Genoa with the equalizer 1t 90+5'


Tottenham - Arsenal

0-1 at the end of the 90th minute. Will there be late drama here too?

[Werner Pichler]

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

Fulham - West Ham
1-1, West Ham scoring the equalizer at 90+5'
Como - Bologna
2-2, Bologna with the equalizer at 90+1'
Genoa - Roma
1-1, Genoa with the equalizer 1t 90+5'
Tottenham - Arsenal
0-1 at the end of the 90th minute. Will there be late drama here too?

Lads it’s Tottenham!

Ciao,
Werner

[Blueshirt]

Post by Werner Pichler

Post by Futbolmetrix
Tottenham - Arsenal
0-1 at the end of the 90th minute. Will there be late drama
here too?

Lads it’s Tottenham!

It's quite funny that in all those years since Sir Alex uttered
those immortal words, nothing much has changed.

[milivella]

Fulham    -    West Ham
1-1, West Ham scoring the equalizer at 90+5'

Even kids know football matches last 90 minutes. Fulham win.

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

Results and standings:

Tier 1
----
milivella 1-1 The Doctor (Fulham - West Ham)
Futbolmetrix 2-2 Werner Pichler (Bologna - Como)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
10 5 8 4 4 4 The Doctor
8 5 9 6 3 5 Futbolmetrix
5 5 4 7 -3 5 milivella

Two last-minute equalizers mean that everything stays the same in Tier
1. That is, milivella in last place and bound for relegation. The title
will be decided in a head-to-head showdown between Doc and me.



Tier 2
----
MH 0-1 Jesper Lauridsen (Tottenham - Arsenal)
Futbolmetrix 2-2 Werner Pichler (Bologna - Como)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
7 5 9 9 0 5 Werner Pichler
7 5 5 7 -2 5 Jesper Lauridsen
4 5 4 6 -2 3 MH

MH pays dearly for his late pick, but he could still get promoted by
beating Werner by two goals in the last matchday, and some help from
milivella.




Tier 3
----
Lléo 1-1 Mark (Fulham - West Ham)
Blueshirt 1-1 Jesus Petry (Genoa - Roma)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
9 5 8 6 2 5 Mark
7 5 4 3 1 5 Lléo
6 5 6 4 2 5 Blueshirt
2 5 4 9 -5 5 Jesus Petry

Mark's late equalizer repels upstart Lleo's assault and keeps him in
first place. But everything still possible in the promotion race. Wooden
spoon goes to Jesus.

Match day 6 schedule to be posted shortly.

[Blueshirt]

Post by Futbolmetrix
Tier 3
----
Lléo 1-1 Mark (Fulham - West Ham)
Blueshirt 1-1 Jesus Petry (Genoa - Roma)
Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
9 5 8 6 2 5 Mark
7 5 4 3 1 5 Lléo
6 5 6 4 2 5 Blueshirt
2 5 4 9 -5 5 Jesus Petry
Mark's late equalizer repels upstart Lleo's assault and keeps
him in first place. But everything still possible in the
promotion race. Wooden spoon goes to Jesus.
Match day 6 schedule to be posted shortly.

I don't understand how the scoring for this works as one of my
picks was Arsenal, who did better than Genoa.

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Blueshirt
I don't understand how the scoring for this works as one of my
picks was Arsenal, who did better than Genoa.

Jesus (your opponent) picked Roma. You only get to choose the best of
your two picks if your opponent doesn't pick. There is (in theory) a bit
of a home-field advantage in this game, but not that large!

[Blueshirt]

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by Blueshirt
I don't understand how the scoring for this works as one of
my picks was Arsenal, who did better than Genoa.

Jesus (your opponent) picked Roma. You only get to choose the
best of your two picks if your opponent doesn't pick. There is
(in theory) a bit of a home-field advantage in this game, but
not that large!

What if I had only picked one team... say Arsenal?

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by Futbolmetrix

Post by Blueshirt
I don't understand how the scoring for this works as one of
my picks was Arsenal, who did better than Genoa.

Jesus (your opponent) picked Roma. You only get to choose the
best of your two picks if your opponent doesn't pick. There is
(in theory) a bit of a home-field advantage in this game, but
not that large!

What if I had only picked one team... say Arsenal?

Interesting! I don't think we have ever had such a case. But I would say
that if the home player picks only one team, it counts as an incomplete
pick. This means that the away player gets to pick whichever team he
likes best out of the unpicked matchup, and his score will be the best
outcome of his two picks. Example:

- You (home player) pick only Arsenal
- Jesus (away player) picks Tottenham (forced) and Roma (free pick)
- Results: TOT-ARS 0-1, GEN-ROM 1-1. Jesus gets his best outcome out of
his two picks, i.e., Roma. The selected matchup is Genoa-Roma, and you
both go home with one point.


Ah, and what if the away player also picks only one match? In that case
you both get a 10 point deduction for annoying the gamemaster.

[Blueshirt]

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I don't understand how the scoring for this works as one
of my picks was Arsenal, who did better than Genoa.

Jesus (your opponent) picked Roma. You only get to choose
the best of your two picks if your opponent doesn't pick.
There is (in theory) a bit of a home-field advantage in
this game, but not that large!

What if I had only picked one team... say Arsenal?

Interesting! I don't think we have ever had such a case. But I
would say that if the home player picks only one team, it
counts as an incomplete pick. This means that the away player
gets to pick whichever team he likes best out of the unpicked
matchup, and his score will be the best outcome of his two
- You (home player) pick only Arsenal
- Jesus (away player) picks Tottenham (forced) and Roma (free
pick) - Results: TOT-ARS 0-1, GEN-ROM 1-1. Jesus gets his best
outcome out of his two picks, i.e., Roma. The selected
matchup is Genoa-Roma, and you both go home with one point.

So the 'home' pick is two teams, but it's the 'away' pick [of
one team] that decides what match that will count? So basically,
'away' gets the advantage! ;-)

And there was me thinking Arsenal [predictably] winning
yesterday was a good result.

Hmmm, it's interesting though... I will have to remember that
the next time I am the 'away' pick.

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Blueshirt
So the 'home' pick is two teams, but it's the 'away' pick [of
one team] that decides what match that will count? So basically,
'away' gets the advantage! ;-)

Well, not exactly, because the home player gets to choose first, so they
constrain the choices of the away player.

Post by Blueshirt
Hmmm, it's interesting though... I will have to remember that
the next time I am the 'away' pick.

Now that you understand the rules, what's to stop you from winning the
next 10 seasons of UPT?

[Mark]

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Post by Blueshirt
Hmmm, it's interesting though... I will have to remember that
the next time I am the 'away' pick.

Now that you understand the rules, what's to stop you from winning the
next 10 seasons of UPT?

Being in Tier 3. Blueshirt FC could win promotion 2 years in a row and
then win the League 8 years in a row; they couldn't win it all 10 years
though. :-)

[Blueshirt]

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Post by Blueshirt
Hmmm, it's interesting though... I will have to remember
that the next time I am the 'away' pick.

Now that you understand the rules, what's to stop you from
winning the next 10 seasons of UPT?

Being in Tier 3. Blueshirt FC could win promotion 2 years in a
row and then win the League 8 years in a row; they couldn't
win it all 10 years though. :-)

Blueshirt FC have as much chance of wining anything as Chelsea
FC have...

[Blueshirt]

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Post by Blueshirt
So the 'home' pick is two teams, but it's the 'away' pick [of
one team] that decides what match that will count? So
basically, 'away' gets the advantage! ;-)

Well, not exactly, because the home player gets to choose
first, so they constrain the choices of the away player.

Hmmm... doesn't seem much of a home advantage to me, as the
'away' pick dictates the match that actually counts. But I've
remembered that for this week's pick, so we'll see how we go
from here now there's some added nuance involved.

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Post by Blueshirt
Hmmm, it's interesting though... I will have to remember that
the next time I am the 'away' pick.

Now that you understand the rules, what's to stop you from
winning the next 10 seasons of UPT?

Not really understanding them properly but winging it
week-by-week, probably ;-)

[Mark]

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Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

Tier 1
----
milivella 1-1 The Doctor (Fulham - West Ham)
Futbolmetrix 2-2 Werner Pichler (Bologna - Como)
Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
10 5 8 4 4 4 The Doctor
8 5 9 6 3 5 Futbolmetrix
5 5 4 7 -3 5 milivella
Two last-minute equalizers mean that everything stays the same in Tier
1. That is, milivella in last place and bound for relegation. The
title will be decided in a head-to-head showdown between Doc and me.
Tier 2
----
MH 0-1 Jesper Lauridsen (Tottenham - Arsenal)
Futbolmetrix 2-2 Werner Pichler (Bologna - Como)
Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
7 5 9 9 0 5 Werner Pichler
7 5 5 7 -2 5 Jesper Lauridsen
4 5 4 6 -2 3 MH
MH pays dearly for his late pick, but he could still get promoted by
beating Werner by two goals in the last matchday, and some help from
milivella.
Tier 3
----
Lléo 1-1 Mark (Fulham - West Ham)
Blueshirt 1-1 Jesus Petry (Genoa - Roma)
Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
9 5 8 6 2 5 Mark
7 5 4 3 1 5 Lléo
6 5 6 4 2 5 Blueshirt
2 5 4 9 -5 5 Jesus Petry
Mark's late equalizer repels upstart Lleo's assault and keeps him in
first place. But everything still possible in the promotion race.
Wooden spoon goes to Jesus.
Match day 6 schedule to be posted shortly.

Is it the top 2 that win promotion from Tier 3 this season? I can't
remember.

[Futbolmetrix]

Post by Mark
Is it the top 2 that win promotion from Tier 3 this season? I can't
remember.

Yes, top two get promoted from Tier 3, but only one team gets promoted
from Tier 2, and only one team gets relegated from Tiers 1 and 2, so
that next season we will have a 3-4-3 lineup (barring additional players
joining UPT). Thanks for the reminder.

[milivella]

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Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 59 - League ENG/ITA Match Day 5

Tier 1
----
milivella    1-1    The Doctor        (Fulham - West Ham)
Futbolmetrix    2-2    Werner Pichler        (Bologna - Como)
    Pts    M    GF    GA    GD    Picks    Team
    10    5    8    4    4    4    The Doctor
    8    5    9    6    3    5    Futbolmetrix
    5    5    4    7    -3    5    milivella
Two last-minute equalizers mean that everything stays the same in Tier
1. That is, milivella in last place and bound for relegation. The title
will be decided in a head-to-head showdown between Doc and me.

Go Doc!

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Tier 2
----
MH    0-1    Jesper Lauridsen        (Tottenham - Arsenal)
Futbolmetrix    2-2    Werner Pichler        (Bologna - Como)
    Pts    M    GF    GA    GD    Picks    Team
    7    5    9    9    0    5    Werner Pichler
    7    5    5    7    -2    5    Jesper Lauridsen
    4    5    4    6    -2    3    MH
MH pays dearly for his late pick, but he could still get promoted by
beating Werner by two goals in the last matchday, and some help from
milivella.

MH, I'm sorry you won't get promoted.

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