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(R) Copa Libertadores semifinals
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Lléo
2024-10-31 05:19:05 UTC
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1st legs played on October 22 and 23rd, 2nd legs on October 29th and
30th. Both semis were over in the first leg, really, and we're on to the
4th all-Brazilian final in 5 seasons.

Atlético Mineiro 3-0 River Plate (at Arena MRV, Belo Horizonte)
River Plate 0-0 Atlético Mineiro (at Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires)

In front of a crowd of 44,870 (which is now Arena MRV's record),
Atlético dominated its home fixture and had Deyverson putting out a
man-of-the match performance, scoring twice and assisting Paulinho for
the third goal. River could do little but try to limit damages, and fail
at that.

Second leg was a different story. Before a full house at Monumental de
Nuñez, River dominated actions and made most of the play. Yet Atlético
put on a solid defensive display and, when that wasn't enough,
goalkeeper Everson rose to the occasion, making a number of key saves.
Indeed, for all of River's dominance, the best chance of the match was
Atlético's. River fans put out a great show, though, and kept singing on
even when it was clear that they would not bridge the three-goal gap -
and, indeed, carried on after final whistle.

Botafogo 5-0 Peñarol (at Estádio Nilton Santos, Rio de Janeiro)
Peñarol 3-1 Botafogo (at Estádio Centenário, Montevideo)

This one had more tension to it. Incidents of vandalism involving
Peñarol fans in Rio de Janeiro, coupled with the violent approach of RJ
police resulted in the arrest of 20 of them before the game. They are
still behind bars to this day and there are narratives pointing fingers
and shifting blame, with the Brazilian press on one side and
Argentinian/Uruguayan press on the other.

During the match, Peñarol even put on a good show in the first half and
held a 0-0 draw, but in the second half Botafogo kicked up a couple of
gears and the floodgates opened, with goals by Barboza, Luiz Henrique,
Igor Jesus and two by Savarino. A bloodbath, which was probably
Botafogo's finest display this season.

Tensions were very high for the second leg, in Montevideo, due to the
situation of Peñarol fans arrested in Brasil. Over the week, the
Uruguayan Interior Ministry requested that the game be played without
away fans, with the support of the AUF and Peñarol's. Conmebol would
have none of that, though, and replied that either the game would go on
with both sets of fans present (and with due security guarantees) or it
would be played (a) behind closed doors or (b) away from Uruguay. In the
eleventh hour a solution was found: it was moved away from Peñarol's
stadium, Campeón del Siglo, to the old Centenário, which is larger and
made it easier to separate both sets of fans.

On the field, Peñarol played with a lot of heart and earned a deserved
victory. It is true that Botafogo rested players who were one yellow
card away from a suspension (which included some of their main stars),
with the only exception being goalkeeper John, who, due to this, was
under strict orders to not waste time on goal kicks or even try to talk
to the referee. Artur Jorge was visibly tense about this every time his
keeper had the ball :-). But, though the game was hard (one red card for
each side), it did not descend into a hackfest.

No exchange of jerseys post final whistle, though, as Botafogo players
stayed celebrating on one end of the pitch, in front of the emptier side
of the stands, where their fans were, while Peñarol players were around
the middle of the pitch, receiving the applause of the rest of the
stadium's crowd

The final will be played on November 30th, at Estadio Monumental de
Nuñez, in Buenos Aires. With a capacity of 84,567, it is currently the
biggest stadium in South America. Conmebol may have hoped that an
Argentinian club made the final, which would make it easier to make it a
full house, but now they're stuck with two Brazilians. I've heard talk
about moving it to Independiente's aptly named Estadio Libertadores de
America (capacity 49,592), but I'm not sure if this is indeed being
considered by the powers-that-be.

This will be Atlético Mineiro's second final, the previous one having
been in 2013, in which they beat Olimpia on penalties. Botafogo makes
the final for the first time, having been a semifinalist in 1963
(eliminated by Pelé's Santos) and 1973 (outdone by Colo-Colo and Cerro
Porteño in their semifinal group). They are the only Brazilian big club
that still haven't won Copa Libertadores.

Both teams have also to contend with battle in other fronts: Atlético
Mineiro plays Flamengo in Copa do Brasil final, while Botafogo leads the
league by three points, with seven rounds to go. Atlético settles their
deal on November 3rd (in Maracanã) and 10th (Arena MRV), while Botafogo
has to face four league rounds over the month before November 30th.


Best regards,

Lléo
Werner Pichler
2024-10-31 19:16:23 UTC
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Post by Lléo
1st legs played on October 22 and 23rd, 2nd legs on October 29th and
30th. Both semis were over in the first leg, really, and we're on to the
4th all-Brazilian final in 5 seasons.
Atlético Mineiro 3-0 River Plate (at Arena MRV, Belo Horizonte)
River Plate 0-0 Atlético Mineiro (at Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires)
In front of a crowd of 44,870 (which is now Arena MRV's record),
Atlético dominated its home fixture and had Deyverson putting out a
man-of-the match performance, scoring twice and assisting Paulinho for
the third goal. River could do little but try to limit damages, and fail
at that.
Second leg was a different story. Before a full house at Monumental de
Nuñez, River dominated actions and made most of the play. Yet Atlético
put on a solid defensive display and, when that wasn't enough,
goalkeeper Everson rose to the occasion, making a number of key saves.
Indeed, for all of River's dominance, the best chance of the match was
Atlético's. River fans put out a great show, though, and kept singing on
even when it was clear that they would not bridge the three-goal gap -
and, indeed, carried on after final whistle.
Botafogo 5-0 Peñarol (at Estádio Nilton Santos, Rio de Janeiro)
Peñarol 3-1 Botafogo (at Estádio Centenário, Montevideo)
This one had more tension to it. Incidents of vandalism involving
Peñarol fans in Rio de Janeiro, coupled with the violent approach of RJ
police resulted in the arrest of 20 of them before the game. They are
still behind bars to this day and there are narratives pointing fingers
and shifting blame, with the Brazilian press on one side and
Argentinian/Uruguayan press on the other.
During the match, Peñarol even put on a good show in the first half and
held a 0-0 draw, but in the second half Botafogo kicked up a couple of
gears and the floodgates opened, with goals by Barboza, Luiz Henrique,
Igor Jesus and two by Savarino. A bloodbath, which was probably
Botafogo's finest display this season.
Tensions were very high for the second leg, in Montevideo, due to the
situation of Peñarol fans arrested in Brasil. Over the week, the
Uruguayan Interior Ministry requested that the game be played without
away fans, with the support of the AUF and Peñarol's. Conmebol would
have none of that, though, and replied that either the game would go on
with both sets of fans present (and with due security guarantees) or it
would be played (a) behind closed doors or (b) away from Uruguay. In the
eleventh hour a solution was found: it was moved away from Peñarol's
stadium, Campeón del Siglo, to the old Centenário, which is larger and
made it easier to separate both sets of fans.
On the field, Peñarol played with a lot of heart and earned a deserved
victory. It is true that Botafogo rested players who were one yellow
card away from a suspension (which included some of their main stars),
with the only exception being goalkeeper John, who, due to this, was
under strict orders to not waste time on goal kicks or even try to talk
to the referee. Artur Jorge was visibly tense about this every time his
keeper had the ball :-). But, though the game was hard (one red card for
each side), it did not descend into a hackfest.
No exchange of jerseys post final whistle, though, as Botafogo players
stayed celebrating on one end of the pitch, in front of the emptier side
of the stands, where their fans were, while Peñarol players were around
the middle of the pitch, receiving the applause of the rest of the
stadium's crowd
The final will be played on November 30th, at Estadio Monumental de
Nuñez, in Buenos Aires. With a capacity of 84,567, it is currently the
biggest stadium in South America. Conmebol may have hoped that an
Argentinian club made the final, which would make it easier to make it a
full house, but now they're stuck with two Brazilians. I've heard talk
about moving it to Independiente's aptly named Estadio Libertadores de
America (capacity 49,592), but I'm not sure if this is indeed being
considered by the powers-that-be.
This will be Atlético Mineiro's second final, the previous one having
been in 2013, in which they beat Olimpia on penalties. Botafogo makes
the final for the first time, having been a semifinalist in 1963
(eliminated by Pelé's Santos) and 1973 (outdone by Colo-Colo and Cerro
Porteño in their semifinal group). They are the only Brazilian big club
that still haven't won Copa Libertadores.
Both teams have also to contend with battle in other fronts: Atlético
Mineiro plays Flamengo in Copa do Brasil final, while Botafogo leads the
league by three points, with seven rounds to go. Atlético settles their
deal on November 3rd (in Maracanã) and 10th (Arena MRV), while Botafogo
has to face four league rounds over the month before November 30th.
Thanks for the round-up!

This also means Brazil will send four teams to the newfangled Club World
Cup next summer, despite an ostensible two-clubs-per-association limit
(that doesn't apply to the Copa Libertadores winners).

Ciao,
Werner
Post by Lléo
Best regards,
Lléo
Binder Dundat
2024-10-31 23:48:42 UTC
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Post by Werner Pichler
Post by Lléo
1st legs played on October 22 and 23rd, 2nd legs on October 29th and
30th. Both semis were over in the first leg, really, and we're on to
the 4th all-Brazilian final in 5 seasons.
Atlético Mineiro 3-0 River Plate (at Arena MRV, Belo Horizonte)
River Plate 0-0 Atlético Mineiro (at Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires)
In front of a crowd of 44,870 (which is now Arena MRV's record),
Atlético dominated its home fixture and had Deyverson putting out a
man-of-the match performance, scoring twice and assisting Paulinho for
the third goal. River could do little but try to limit damages, and
fail at that.
Second leg was a different story. Before a full house at Monumental de
Nuñez, River dominated actions and made most of the play. Yet Atlético
put on a solid defensive display and, when that wasn't enough,
goalkeeper Everson rose to the occasion, making a number of key saves.
Indeed, for all of River's dominance, the best chance of the match was
Atlético's. River fans put out a great show, though, and kept singing
on even when it was clear that they would not bridge the three-goal
gap - and, indeed, carried on after final whistle.
Botafogo 5-0 Peñarol (at Estádio Nilton Santos, Rio de Janeiro)
Peñarol 3-1 Botafogo (at Estádio Centenário, Montevideo)
This one had more tension to it. Incidents of vandalism involving
Peñarol fans in Rio de Janeiro, coupled with the violent approach of
RJ police resulted in the arrest of 20 of them before the game. They
are still behind bars to this day and there are narratives pointing
fingers and shifting blame, with the Brazilian press on one side and
Argentinian/Uruguayan press on the other.
During the match, Peñarol even put on a good show in the first half
and held a 0-0 draw, but in the second half Botafogo kicked up a
couple of gears and the floodgates opened, with goals by Barboza, Luiz
Henrique, Igor Jesus and two by Savarino. A bloodbath, which was
probably Botafogo's finest display this season.
Tensions were very high for the second leg, in Montevideo, due to the
situation of Peñarol fans arrested in Brasil. Over the week, the
Uruguayan Interior Ministry requested that the game be played without
away fans, with the support of the AUF and Peñarol's. Conmebol would
have none of that, though, and replied that either the game would go
on with both sets of fans present (and with due security guarantees)
or it would be played (a) behind closed doors or (b) away from
Uruguay. In the eleventh hour a solution was found: it was moved away
from Peñarol's stadium, Campeón del Siglo, to the old Centenário,
which is larger and made it easier to separate both sets of fans.
On the field, Peñarol played with a lot of heart and earned a deserved
victory. It is true that Botafogo rested players who were one yellow
card away from a suspension (which included some of their main stars),
with the only exception being goalkeeper John, who, due to this, was
under strict orders to not waste time on goal kicks or even try to
talk to the referee. Artur Jorge was visibly tense about this every
time his keeper had the ball :-). But, though the game was hard (one
red card for each side), it did not descend into a hackfest.
No exchange of jerseys post final whistle, though, as Botafogo players
stayed celebrating on one end of the pitch, in front of the emptier
side of the stands, where their fans were, while Peñarol players were
around the middle of the pitch, receiving the applause of the rest of
the stadium's crowd
The final will be played on November 30th, at Estadio Monumental de
Nuñez, in Buenos Aires. With a capacity of 84,567, it is currently the
biggest stadium in South America. Conmebol may have hoped that an
Argentinian club made the final, which would make it easier to make it
a full house, but now they're stuck with two Brazilians. I've heard
talk about moving it to Independiente's aptly named Estadio
Libertadores de America (capacity 49,592), but I'm not sure if this is
indeed being considered by the powers-that-be.
This will be Atlético Mineiro's second final, the previous one having
been in 2013, in which they beat Olimpia on penalties. Botafogo makes
the final for the first time, having been a semifinalist in 1963
(eliminated by Pelé's Santos) and 1973 (outdone by Colo-Colo and Cerro
Porteño in their semifinal group). They are the only Brazilian big
club that still haven't won Copa Libertadores.
Both teams have also to contend with battle in other fronts: Atlético
Mineiro plays Flamengo in Copa do Brasil final, while Botafogo leads
the league by three points, with seven rounds to go. Atlético settles
their deal on November 3rd (in Maracanã) and 10th (Arena MRV), while
Botafogo has to face four league rounds over the month before November
30th.
Thanks for the round-up!
This also means Brazil will send four teams to the newfangled Club World
Cup next summer, despite an ostensible two-clubs-per-association limit
(that doesn't apply to the Copa Libertadores winners).
Ciao,
Werner
Post by Lléo
Best regards,
Lléo
The true hipsters are watching Copa sudamerica
Lléo
2024-11-01 03:46:18 UTC
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Wait what?  Memphis Depay is playing for Corintihinans?  That makes this
so not Hipsternow. But game over, Corinthinas lead 3-2 with 80 mins
left, there is not possibble way Racing comesback with only 80 minutes left
I guess the Weauxf Deities are relentless. Depay did have a very nice
assist to Yuri Alberto's goal, but you could almost see the Hand of the
Woof on his other near-assist, to Garro, who promptly blew a very nice
through ball fed to him by the Dutchman.

Mind you, it is entirely possible that Racing could have come back from
a hypothetical 0-2 (their fans could have powered ahead a team of
corpses today), but that may have been a turning point of the match: 16
minutes later they were ahead and never seemed to look back.


Best regards,

Lléo
Lléo
2024-11-01 04:07:58 UTC
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Post by Werner Pichler
Thanks for the round-up!
This also means Brazil will send four teams to the newfangled Club World
Cup next summer, despite an ostensible two-clubs-per-association limit
(that doesn't apply to the Copa Libertadores winners).
Indeed. But from what I understand, the limit applies for qualifiers
that come through the continental ranking, and not the ones that win
their continental championship (these qualify regardless of where they
came from). As such, Mexico too will be sending three teams due to it
(and could conceivably have sent four too, had UNAM beaten Seattle
Sounders in the 2022 CCL final).

One little side effect of Atlético Mineiro beating River Plate is that,
had River qualified and went on to win the whole thing, Olimpia from
Paraguay would get the last Conmebol spot. So, again Olimpia see
themselves hosed by Galo, who beat them in 1992 Copa Conmebol, 2013 Copa
Libertadores and now keep them out of the Club World Cup.


Best regards,

Lléo

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