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2018-03-08 00:46:08 UTC
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Clubs, after 2017 (Northern) winter transfer window
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I've updated the information about which club each FS player plays
for:
http://fantasyscout.altervista.org/playersinfo.htm

So, who moved? 118 players changed club according to Wikipedia. Before
diving in the whole list, here are the transfers regarding the top 10
(actually 12 because of a tie) most valuable players:

Player Scout Cycle Before After
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Philippe Cout Andrea B. 2007-10 Liverpool Barcelona
Diego Costa Michael H. 2012-14 Chelsea Atletico Madr
Lucas Moura Binder 2010-12 Paris Saint-G Tottenham Hot
Van Dijk Andrea V. 2014-16 Southampton Liverpool
Barkley Michael H. 2010-12 Everton Chelsea
Laporte Michael H. 2012-14 Athletic Bilb Manchester Ci
Giroud Michael H. 2010-12 Arsenal Chelsea
Walcott Andrea V. 2007-10 Arsenal Everton
Sturridge William 2007-10 Liverpool West Bromwich
Bartra Abubakr 2012-14 Borussia Dort Betis
Mangala Gianmarco 2010-12 Manchester Ci Everton
Coquelin Jackson 2014-16 Arsenal Valencia

Here is the whole list of the 118, sorted by scout and cycle. Below
it, you'll find some more stats.

Player Scout Cycle Before After
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Traore [not eligible 2007-10 Nottingham Fo Cardiff City
Merkel [not eligible 2010-12 VfL Bochum Admira Wacker
Braafheid Abubakr 2007-10 FC Utrecht
Bartra Abubakr 2012-14 Borussia Dort Betis
Flanagan Abubakr 2012-14 Liverpool Bolton Wander
Doria Abubakr 2012-14 Marseille Yeni Malatyas
Wilson Abubakr 2012-14 Manchester Un Sheffield Uni
Romero Abubakr 2016-18 Velez Sarsfie PSV Eindhoven
Gouiri Abubakr 2016-18 Olympique Lyo
Leali Alberto 2012-14 Zulte Waregem Perugia
Sandro Alberto 2014-16 Everton Sevilla
Brown Alberto 2014-16 Brighton & Ho Chelsea
Samper Alberto 2014-16 Las Palmas Barcelona
Pellegri Alberto 2016-18 Genoa Monaco
Rossi Alessandro 2007-10 Genoa
Bianchi Alessandro 2007-10 Pro Vercelli
Philippe Cout Andrea B. 2007-10 Liverpool Barcelona
Vermeer Andrea V. 2007-10 Feyenoord Club Brugge
Rafinha Andrea V. 2007-10 Barcelona
Denilson Andrea V. 2007-10 Cruzeiro
Anderson Andrea V. 2007-10 Coritiba
Walter Andrea V. 2007-10 Atletico Goia Paysandu
Flamini Andrea V. 2007-10 Getafe
Marquinhos Andrea V. 2007-10 Internacional America Minei
Pennant Andrea V. 2007-10 Billericay To
Galloppa Andrea V. 2007-10 Carrarese Cremonese
Maher Andrea V. 2010-12 PSV FC Twente
Deulofeu Andrea V. 2012-14 Barcelona Watford
Kongolo Andrea V. 2012-14 Monaco Huddersfield
Marilungo Benny 2007-10 Atalanta Spezia
Lulinha Benny 2007-10 Pohang Steele Al-Sharjah
De Ceglie Benny 2007-10 Servette
Keirrison Benny 2007-10 Arouca Londrina
Acquafresca Benny 2007-10 Sion U21
Lucas Moura Binder 2010-12 Paris Saint-G Tottenham Hot
Sandro Cristian 2007-10 Antalyaspor Benevento
Bolatti Cristian 2007-10 Belgrano Boca Unidos
Baxter Daniel O. 2007-10 Everton
Velthuizen Daniele 2007-10 Omonia
Camporese Daniele 2010-12 Benevento Foggia
Miquel Daniele 2010-12 Lugo Malaga
Astori Daniele 2012-14 Fiorentina
Grenier Daniele 2012-14 Lyon Guingamp
Emerson Daniele 2016-18 Roma Chelsea
Camilleri Desiree 2007-10 Teramo Sicula Leonzi
Zarate Generoso 2007-10 Watford Velez Sarsfie
Aissati Generoso 2007-10 Denizlispor
Carlos Eduard Gianmarco 2007-10 Vitoria Parana
Mangala Gianmarco 2010-12 Manchester Ci Everton
Dumitru Gianmarco 2010-12 Alcorcon Gimnastic
Locadia Gianmarco 2012-14 Brighton & Ho
Loi Gianmarco 2012-14 Modena FeralpiSalo
Orsolini Gianmarco 2016-18 Atalanta Bologna
Laribi Giovanni B. 2007-10 Cesena
Comi Giovanni B. 2007-10 Pro Vercelli Vicenza
Gallinetta Giovanni B. 2007-10 Juventus Ravenna
Coquelin Jackson 2014-16 Arsenal Valencia
Cia Jacopo 2007-10 AlbinoLeffe Sudtirol
Hernanes Jesus 2007-10 Sao Paulo Hebei China F
Danilinho Jesus 2007-10 Queretaro Vitoria
Renan Jesus 2007-10 Goias Ceara
Ceara Jesus 2007-10 America-MG
Valdivia Jesus 2012-14 Atletico Mine Sao Paulo
Geferson Jesus 2014-16 Vitoria CSKA Sofia
Akpom Mark 2012-14 Arsenal Sint-Truiden
Trasch Mattia 2007-10 Ingolstadt 04 FC Ingolstadt
Defederico Mattia 2007-10 Universidad C Lorca
Remy Michael H. 2007-10 Las Palmas Getafe
Jo Michael H. 2007-10 Corinthians Nagoya Grampu
Vaughan Michael H. 2007-10 Sunderland Wigan Athleti
Lell Michael H. 2007-10 TSV Weyarn
Debuchy Michael H. 2010-12 Arsenal Saint-Etienne
Wollscheid Michael H. 2010-12 Metz
Diego Costa Michael H. 2012-14 Chelsea Atletico Madr
Mina Michael H. 2016-18 Palmeiras Barcelona
Musonda Michael H. 2016-18 Chelsea Celtic
Saivet Michael M. 2007-10 Newcastle Uni Sivasspor
Diego Souza Mpfat 2007-10 Sport Sao Paulo
Caulker Mpfat 2012-14 Queens Park R Dundee
Gabriel Nigel 2012-14 Benfica Santos
Koziello Nigel 2016-18 OGC Nice 1. FC Koln
M'Vila Pietro 2007-10 Rubin Kazan Saint-Etienne
Tissone Pietro 2007-10 Karpaty Lviv Desportivo Av
Ciro Pietro 2007-10 Remo Chonburi
Raggio Gariba Pietro 2007-10 Virtus Entell Mantova
Murphy Pietro 2007-10 Forest Green Gillingham
Cardozo Saintjust 2007-10 Monterrey Racing Club d
Bordagaray Saintjust 2007-10 Rosario Centr Defensa y Jus
Vietto Saintjust 2012-14 Atletico Madr Valencia
Centurion Saintjust 2012-14 Genoa Racing Club
Luque Saintjust 2012-14 Internacional San Martin (S
Kranevitter Saintjust 2014-16 FC Zenit Zenit Saint P
Douglas Santo Saintjust 2014-16 Hamburger SV
Ricci Saintjust 2014-16 Genoa Crotone
Silva Saintjust 2014-16 Sporting CP Roma
Boye Saintjust 2014-16 Torino Celta
Andrada Saintjust 2014-16 Velez Sarsfie Bari
Nahuel Saintjust 2014-16 Betis Barcelona B
Carrera Saintjust 2014-16 Gimnasia Union Espanol
Martinez Saintjust 2014-16 Real Sociedad Athletic Bilb
Bertoglio Sid at n. 2007-10 APOEL Ordabasy
Bellusci Simone G. 2007-10 Palermo
Baumjohann Simone G. 2007-10 Coritiba FC Vitoria
Nsue Simone R. 2007-10 Birmingham Ci APOEL
Mazzotta Simone R. 2007-10 Frosinone Pescara
N'gog Simone R. 2007-10 Free agent Ross County
Menez Tom one 2007-10 Antalyaspor America
Paletta Tom one 2007-10 Milan Jiangsu Sunin
Marconi Tommaso 2007-10 Lecce Alessandria
Sciacca Tommaso 2007-10 Castrovillari ASD Sancatald
Sturridge William 2007-10 Liverpool West Bromwich
Compper William 2007-10 RB Leipzig Celtic
Warnock William 2007-10 Burton Albion Bradford City

Clubs with most FS players:
17 Milan
15 Barcelona
14 Arsenal
14 Chelsea
14 Liverpool
14 Manchester United
13 Bayern Munich
13 Manchester City
13 Paris Saint-Germain
12 Real Madrid

Leagues with most FS players:
151 Premier League
116 Serie A
92 La Liga
85 Bundesliga
52 Ligue 1
34 Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A
29 Eredivisie
29 Serie B
28 Championship
26 Primera Division

Previous updates:
https://fantasyscoutblog.wordpress.com/tag/clubs/
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.sport.soccer/fs-clubs%7Csort:date

Tag: fs-clubs

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milivella
2018-03-08 01:02:02 UTC
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Post by milivella
Clubs, after 2017 (Northern) winter transfer window
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I've updated the information about which club each FS player plays
http://fantasyscout.altervista.org/playersinfo.htm
So, who moved? 118 players changed club according to Wikipedia. Before
diving in the whole list, here are the transfers regarding the top 10
Here is the whole list of the 118, sorted by scout and cycle. Below
it, you'll find some more stats.
Player Scout Cycle Before After
------------- ------------- ------- ------------- -------------
I got players with the same name wrong. :(

Martinez Saintjust 2014-16 Real Sociedad Athletic Bilb
He is Inigo Martinez, so Sid Debgupta 2012-14.

Rafinha Andrea V. 2007-10 Barcelona
He is Rafinha Alcantara, so 2014-16 (still Andrea V.!). Also, he moved
to Internazionale (I should check why the script didn't catch it).

And then there is this one:
Dembele G. [not eligible 2010-12 Dubai CSC Free Agent
So the player who moved according to Wikipedia is actually 119.

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milivella
2018-03-08 01:58:08 UTC
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Player Scout Cycle Before After
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Astori Daniele 2012-14 Fiorentina
Of course the "After" column should have "Heaven FC" in this case. :(
milivella
2018-03-12 00:33:12 UTC
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March 3, 19:47
Lazio 0-0 Juventus after 92' = Napoli 69, Juventus 66 after 26 matches
Juventus 2-2 Tottenham after Juventus home leg

4 goals by Dybala (2 assisted by Higuain) and 1 goal by Higuain (not
to talk about 2 out-of-this world Douglas Costa performances) after...
Juventus 71 with a match in hand, Napoli 70
Juventus in the Champions League quarter-finals

Someone should thank my players...

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milivella
2018-03-14 21:46:11 UTC
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March 3, 19:47
Lazio 0-0 Juventus after 92' = Napoli 69, Juventus 66 after 26 matches
Juventus 2-2 Tottenham after Juventus home leg
4 goals by Dybala (2 assisted by Higuain) and 1 goal by Higuain (not
to talk about 2 out-of-this world Douglas Costa performances) after...
Juventus 71 with a match in hand, Napoli 70
Juventus in the Champions League quarter-finals
Make it 2 goals by Higuain (the new one with quite the assist by
Douglas Costa) and in less than 11 days my players brought Juve 4
points clear.

(then there was another goal, not by one member of the miliTrio, but
assisted by Higuain nonetheless)

I am calling Boston Hospital for a case of schizofrenia.

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MH
2018-03-12 19:37:31 UTC
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On 2018-03-07 17:46, milivella wrote:

Is it too early to bemoan the fact that many of my players look like
missing out on WC 2018, in no small part because they made moves that
are not working out so well.

Brazil have already released a list of players that are going (15 of
them) though presumably injuries could changes that. Renato Augusto is
on that list ! Geromel has been called up for the next friendlies.
Post by milivella
Player Scout Cycle Before After
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Philippe Cout Andrea B. 2007-10 Liverpool Barcelona
Diego Costa Michael H. 2012-14 Chelsea Atletico Madr
The move back to Spain may not hurt his chances, and Morata is not
setting the world on fire. Reasonable chance, barring injuries, that
Costa makes the trip.
Post by milivella
Lucas Moura Binder 2010-12 Paris Saint-G Tottenham Hot
Van Dijk Andrea V. 2014-16 Southampton Liverpool
Barkley Michael H. 2010-12 Everton Chelsea
The move to Chelsea has not been fruitful, and he has had more injuries.
Not a chance he will be picked.
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Laporte Michael H. 2012-14 Athletic Bilb Manchester Ci
Getting some game time in the CL and EPL probably will not change
Deschamps mind.
Post by milivella
Giroud Michael H. 2010-12 Arsenal Chelsea
OTOH, Deschamps has been loyal to Giroud, and he has delivered for
France. Will he get enough games to remain match fit ? I suspect not.
Post by milivella
Walcott Andrea V. 2007-10 Arsenal Everton
Sturridge William 2007-10 Liverpool West Bromwich
Bartra Abubakr 2012-14 Borussia Dort Betis
Mangala Gianmarco 2010-12 Manchester Ci Everton
Coquelin Jackson 2014-16 Arsenal Valencia
Here is the whole list of the 118, sorted by scout and cycle. Below
it, you'll find some more stats.
Remy Michael H. 2007-10 Las Palmas Getafe
Another player whose career has been ruined by going to Chelsea. Fought
with manager at Las Palmas. Not sure how he is doing at Getafe, but with
Mbappe, Giroud, Martial, Griezmann, Lacazette and others ahead of him in
the pecking order there is no chance he is going
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Jo Michael H. 2007-10 Corinthians Nagoya Grampu
Vaughan Michael H. 2007-10 Sunderland Wigan Athleti
Lell Michael H. 2007-10 TSV Weyarn
Debuchy Michael H. 2010-12 Arsenal Saint-Etienne
Wollscheid Michael H. 2010-12 Metz
All done as far as caps go. (the above)
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Diego Costa Michael H. 2012-14 Chelsea Atletico Madr
Duplicate with above list.
Post by milivella
Mina Michael H. 2016-18 Palmeiras Barcelona
Has started only one league game for Barca, but apparently played very
well in it. OK chance he will make the squad, I guess.
Post by milivella
Musonda Michael H. 2016-18 Chelsea Celtic
Might have been a good move for him but there is so much attacking
talent ahead of him in the Belgium squad there is no way he is going.



Also very unlikely to make the trip to Russia (won't mention out and out
lousy picks):

Valbuena - his ship has sailed and playing in Turkey won't get him noticed.

Lars Bender - too many injuries in the last few years. Playing OK now,
but there are too many ahead of him.

Cresswell - about the 5th best left back in England. WOuld need a lot of
injuries to get a place on the plane.

Luke Shaw - maybe 4th best LB ? But Mourinho has not played him much.

Gameiro - too peripheral. And the return of Diego Costa does not help him.

Henrichs - has fallen out of favour with the pretenders.

Illaremendi - Real Sociedad's horrible form of late dooms him.

Javi Martinez - not getting enough time on the field, so I don't think
even his versatility will earn him a spot.

Mata - not playing enough and has rarely been called the last few years.

Tielemans - injured, and not having a great season at Monaco.


More likely to go, but still in danger of missing out on current form:

Özil - Reus is back, Germany has lots of talent.

Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.

Digne - has never been higher than 2nd in the LB pecking order. Not
playing enough for Barca

Tolisso - too much competition at Bayern and has not set the Bundesliga
afire.

Goretzka - lots of niggly injuries lately, and lots of competition.


SO WHO DOES THAT LEAVE ?

Pickford ? Seems like he should make the squad.

LLoris - a definite if not injured.

Alba - still highly likely to get the nod.

Not a lot to pin hopes on.
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Jesper Lauridsen
2018-03-12 20:31:21 UTC
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Giroud Michael H. 2010-12 Arsenal Chelsea
OTOH, Deschamps has been loyal to Giroud, and he has delivered for
France. Will he get enough games to remain match fit ? I suspect not.
Does France have another Giroud type player to pick? Would make sense
to pick him for the flexibility.
Post by MH
Also very unlikely to make the trip to Russia (won't mention out and out
Valbuena - his ship has sailed and playing in Turkey won't get him noticed.
Lars Bender - too many injuries in the last few years. Playing OK now,
but there are too many ahead of him.
Henrichs - has fallen out of favour with the pretenders.
Careful not to confuse milivella! He is likely to put Henrichs to
Bologna into his system.
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Javi Martinez - not getting enough time on the field, so I don't think
even his versatility will earn him a spot.
He's playing pretty much constantly at the moment. But they might have
forgotten all about him back in Spain.
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Özil - Reus is back, Germany has lots of talent.
Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.
Both are plan A for Löw. Should be certain picks.
Post by MH
Tolisso - too much competition at Bayern and has not set the Bundesliga
afire.
Probably also too much competition in France.
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Goretzka - lots of niggly injuries lately, and lots of competition.
And has completely lost form.
Futbolmetrix
2018-03-13 19:50:57 UTC
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Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.
Many Juve fans think he is consistently the worst player on the pitch
every week, but he's always the first player on Allegri's teamsheet. Weird.
Werner Pichler
2018-06-17 18:02:07 UTC
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Post by MH
Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.
Many Juve fans think he is consistently the worst player on the pitch
every week, but he's always the first player on Allegri's teamsheet. Weird.
Hm.

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Jesper Lauridsen
2018-06-21 16:26:45 UTC
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Post by MH
Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.
Many Juve fans think he is consistently the worst player on the pitch
every week, but he's always the first player on Allegri's teamsheet. Weird.
Hm.
MH was wrong to doubt the selection of his players, but he was right to
doubt their abilities.
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2018-06-23 17:37:17 UTC
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Sebastian Rudy starting a worldcup game, that is a3X pointer!(pretty sure it is? I never read the rules) See, already a positive with this game and it has not even started yet. You have to take the good with the bad.
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Post by MH
Khedira - some good younger holding midfielders have emerged.
Many Juve fans think he is consistently the worst player on the pitch
every week, but he's always the first player on Allegri's teamsheet. Weird.
Hm.
MH was wrong to doubt the selection of his players, but he was right to
doubt their abilities.
milivella
2018-11-20 00:14:52 UTC
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Henrichs - has fallen out of favour with the pretenders.
Careful not to confuse milivella! He is likely to put Henrichs to
Bologna into his system.
I have already put the sausage in my system.

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2018-11-20 00:12:17 UTC
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Is it too early to bemoan the fact that many of my players look like
missing out on WC 2018, in no small part because they made moves that
are not working out so well.
[snip very interesting predictions]

How it went:

Caps at WC 2018
Giroud 7
Pickford 7
Lloris 6
Tolisso 5
Alba J. 4
Diego Costa 4
Tielemans 4
Mina Y. 3
Renato Augusto 3
Khedira 2
Ozil 2
Dendoncker 1
Goretzka 1
Hazard 1

Goals
Diego Costa 3
Mina Y. 3
Renato Augusto 1

And, while we are at it...

Caps at WC 2018
Daniele 50
Michael H. 50
Andrea V. 38
Alberto 25
Jackson 24
Saintjust 17
Abubakr 15
Jesus 15
Sid Debgupta 15
William 11
Generoso 10
Nigel 10
Giovanni T. 9
Tom two 8
Gianmarco 7
Mark 7
Elko 6
Matthias 6
Riccardo 6
Andrea B. 5
Benny 5
Jacopo 5
Binder 4
Pietro 4
Sid at n. 3
Daniel B. 2
Mattia 2

Goals
Daniele 8
Michael H. 7
Abubakr 6
Sid Debgupta 4
Andrea V. 2
Jackson 2
Jesus 2
Nigel 2
Andrea B. 2
Saintjust 1
Generoso 1
Tom two 1
Gianmarco 1
Matthias 1
Pietro 1

I'd say that
Post by MH
Not a lot to pin hopes on.
was a great anti-weaufx.

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Futbolmetrix
2018-11-23 12:35:29 UTC
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And, while we are at it...
Caps at WC 2018
Daniele      50
Michael H.   50
Andrea V.    38
...
[snip]
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Goals
Daniele       8
Michael H.    7
Abubakr       6
Sid Debgupta  4
Andrea V.     2
...
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I'd say that
FFSFC won WC2018.
milivella
2018-11-24 00:42:19 UTC
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Post by milivella
And, while we are at it...
Caps at WC 2018
Daniele 50
Michael H. 50
Andrea V. 38
...
[snip]
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Goals
Daniele 8
Michael H. 7
Abubakr 6
Sid Debgupta 4
Andrea V. 2
...
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I'd say that
FFSFC won WC2018.
Hmmm...
Cycle Futb mili Res
1 0.25 0.68 0-1
2 12 9 1-1
3 14 32 1-2
4 57 11 2-2
(Fifth cycle doesn't count, as picking was still in progress.)

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/world_cup/31556/new-york-post-hails-usa-1-1-win.html

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Futbolmetrix
2018-11-24 13:28:20 UTC
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Hmmm...
Cycle Futb mili Res
    1 0.25 0.68 0-1
    2   12    9 1-1
    3   14   32 1-2
    4   57   11 2-2
Double hmm...It looks as if some wins were more dominant than others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference
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(Fifth cycle doesn't count, as picking was still in progress.)
Sophistivella?

Fifth cycle score, for the record: FMFSFC - MVFSFC 3-1
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http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/world_cup/31556/new-york-post-hails-usa-1-1-win.html
Except it wasn't.
milivella
2018-11-25 00:07:58 UTC
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Hmmm...
Cycle Futb mili Res
1 0.25 0.68 0-1
2 12 9 1-1
3 14 32 1-2
4 57 11 2-2
More precisely, these are the scores in the WC matches _and the
friendlies before it_. WC only:
1 0.19 0.40
2 9 8
3 7 15
4 36 6
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Double hmm...It looks as if some wins were more dominant than others?
Yeah, that 12-9 (or 9-8!) cycle is indeed close.
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Post by milivella
(Fifth cycle doesn't count, as picking was still in progress.)
Sophistivella?
Fifth cycle score, for the record: FMFSFC - MVFSFC 3-1
13-3 including pre-WC friendlies.

Anyway, you think you won against mvFSFC. What about MHFSFC?

Cycle Futb MH Res
1 0.19 0.64 0-1
2 9 11 0-2
3 7 8 0-3
4 36 5 1-3
5 3 19 1-4

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2018-11-25 04:14:42 UTC
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Hmmm...
Cycle Futb mili Res
     1 0.25 0.68 0-1
     2   12    9 1-1
     3   14   32 1-2
     4   57   11 2-2
Double hmm...It looks as if some wins were more dominant than others?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference
Post by milivella
(Fifth cycle doesn't count, as picking was still in progress.)
Sophistivella?
Fifth cycle score, for the record: FMFSFC - MVFSFC  3-1
i suspect my fifth cycle score was better than that. Mina alone was
better than 3 (6 at least ?). add in Tielemans 4, T Hazard 2, and
Dendoncker 1
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http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/world_cup/31556/new-york-post-hails-usa-1-1-win.html
Except it wasn't.
Werner Pichler
2018-04-29 14:37:00 UTC
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[The rules of this thread are simple: write what you want, reply if
you want, ignore if you have to.]
Maher Andrea V. 2010-12 PSV FC Twente
Maher just got relegated with Twente, with him in the lineup they had just
one win in 15 matches. I can't help but think that what happened to him
(Dutch Talent of the Year 2012) is somehow symptomatic for what's wrong with
Dutch football at the moment...

Ciao,
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milivella
2018-11-20 00:18:12 UTC
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[The rules of this thread are simple: write what you want, reply if
you want, ignore if you have to.]
Maher Andrea V. 2010-12 PSV FC Twente
Maher just got relegated with Twente, with him in the lineup they had just
one win in 15 matches. I can't help but think that what happened to him
(Dutch Talent of the Year 2012) is somehow symptomatic for what's wrong with
Dutch football at the moment...
Good thing you said "Dutch football".

[makes a gesture, and some shady people in the background go away]

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