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deloitte money league
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scoop
2006-02-16 08:02:54 UTC
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Deloitte's annual report on the revenues of the top 20 clubs is out.
You can get a copy here: http://www.deloitte.co.uk .

Real Madrid tops the list (though remember this is not a measure of
profitability.) Deloitte writes: "Although President Florentino Perez'
strategy of recruiting world class 'galactico' players has not
neccessarily delivered the anticipated on-pitch results recently, their
presence has facilitated a transformation in the clubs financial
performance." Real's revenue has doubled since 2001.

Of the top 10, only ManU and Arsenal had revenue declines. Of the top
12 clubs, only ManU, Arsenal and Newcastle had revenue declines. Of the
top 13, only ManU, Arsenal, Newcastle and Tottenham had revenue
declines. Within the top 20, Celtic, Man City and Lazio were the other
clubs to post declining revenue.

Revenue in millions of euros of the top 10.

Club 2004/2005 2003/2004
Real Madrid 275.7 236
ManU 246.4 259
AC Milan 234 222.3
Juventus 229.4 215
Chelsea 220.8 217
Barcelona 207.9 169.2
Bay. Munich 189.5 166.3
Liverpool 181.2 139.5
Inter 177.2 166.5
Arsenal 171.3 173.6
p***@yahoo.com
2006-02-16 23:03:31 UTC
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Thanks for putting that up ... this is only the second time that ManU's
revenue declined since 1991-92 ... and in that time they've gone from
20 million pounds to almost 170 million, so things aren't exactly dire.
:-)

Some ranking information for the 2004-05 season:

Chelsea - #1 EPL, semis of CL, #5 world money (down from #4)
Arsenal - #2 EPL, in CL, #10 money (down from #6)
ManU - #3 EPL, in CL, #2 money (down from #1)
Everton - #4 EPL, #18 money (up from unranked)
Liverpool - #5 EPL, won CL, #8 money (up from #10)
Bolton - #6 EPL, #23 money (up from unranked)
Middlesbrough - #7 EPL, in UEFA, #25 money (up from unranked)
Man City - #8 EPL, #17 money (down from #16)
Spurs - #9 EPL, #13 money (up from #14)
*Villa - #10 EPL, unranked money (down from #20)
Newcastle - #14 EPL, in UEFA, #12 world (down from #11)
ALL OTHERS - not in Europe, unranked

*If list went beyond #25, Villa would probably be #26, only 0.6 million
euros behind Middlesbrough.

While the size of a club's fan base certainly matters, its league
results are clearly very important. There are, after all, plenty of
English clubs are more popular than Bolton. As a rule, if an English
team is in the top half of the Premiership or in Europe, it's taking in
a lot of revenue.

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Paul C
2006-02-19 00:42:03 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.com
While the size of a club's fan base certainly matters, its league
results are clearly very important. There are, after all, plenty of
English clubs are more popular than Bolton. As a rule, if an English
team is in the top half of the Premiership or in Europe, it's taking in
a lot of revenue.
The deciding factor is how much $ky money the English teams receive.
Benny
2006-02-19 15:47:47 UTC
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Subject : deloitte money league
The deciding factor is how much $ky money the English teams receive.
No it's not. All figures in million euros :

Rank Club Broadcasting Revenue
1 Milan 138.00
2 Juventus 124.40
3 Inter 103.20
4 Real Madrid 88.00
5 Chelsea 82.00
6 Barcelona 79.00
7 Roma 76.50
8 Liverpool 75.50
9 Bayern Munich 72.10 *
10 Arsenal 71.90
11 Man United 71.70
12 Lyon 45.80
13 Lazio 44.10
14 Valencia 44.10
15 Everton 43.70
16 Newcastle 41.30
17 Manchester City 38.70
18 Tottenham 37.80
19 Celtic 25.30
20 Schalke 16.50

* joint matchday and broadcasting revenue.

Domestic TV contracts in Italy are far more lucrative, at least they are
for the big teams. In terms of collective TV contracts Canal+ pay
Ligue 1 clubs substantially more than Sky play English clubs and the new
contract for German clubs puts them more or less level with English
clubs because although it's worth 68 million euros less there are only
18 teams in the Bundesliga. Where English clubs lead is in terms of
matchday revenue i.e. ticket sales and the reason for this is not only
because of the extortionate prices but also because most matches, unlike
in all the other leagues, are NOT broadcast live. More matches on TV =
lower attendances.

Rank Club Matchday Revenue
1 Man United 102.50
2 Chelsea 83.70
3 Bayern Munich 72.10 *
4 Barcelona 66.10
5 Real Madrid 63.70
6 Arsenal 55.40
7 Newcastle 52.20
8 Liverpool 49.00
9 Celtic 46.50
10 Milan 38.10
11 Inter 35.70
12 Tottenham 31.20
13 Roma 27.90
14 Everton 27.70
15 Valencia 24.10
16 Schalke 23.30
17 Juventus 22.80
18 Manchester City 22.30
19 Lyon 20.40
20 Lazio 14.60

In terms of commercial revenue the European giants have caught up,
that's assuming English clubs lead in this field :

Rank Club Commercial
1 Real Madrid 124.00
2 Bayern Munich 117.40
3 Juventus 82.20
4 Man United 72.20
5 Barcelona 62.80
6 Milan 57.90
7 Schalke 57.60
8 Liverpool 56.70
9 Chelsea 55.10
10 Arsenal 44.00
11 Inter 38.30
12 Tottenham 35.50
13 Newcastle 35.40
14 Manchester City 29.10
15 Roma 27.40
16 Lyon 26.70
17 Lazio 24.40
18 Celtic 20.90
19 Everton 17.40
20 Valencia 16.40

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Sven Mischkies
2006-02-19 17:14:54 UTC
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Post by Benny
Rank Club Broadcasting Revenue
1 Milan 138.00
2 Juventus 124.40
3 Inter 103.20
4 Real Madrid 88.00
5 Chelsea 82.00
6 Barcelona 79.00
7 Roma 76.50
8 Liverpool 75.50
9 Bayern Munich 72.10 *
10 Arsenal 71.90
11 Man United 71.70
12 Lyon 45.80
13 Lazio 44.10
14 Valencia 44.10
15 Everton 43.70
16 Newcastle 41.30
17 Manchester City 38.70
18 Tottenham 37.80
19 Celtic 25.30
20 Schalke 16.50
Nice list. Apart from Bayern whose numbers are joint for TV and ticket
sales the first BL club comes in a distant 20th.
Post by Benny
* joint matchday and broadcasting revenue.
Domestic TV contracts in Italy are far more lucrative, at least they are
for the big teams. In terms of collective TV contracts Canal+ pay
Ligue 1 clubs substantially more than Sky play English clubs and the new
contract for German clubs puts them more or less level with English
clubs because although it's worth 68 million euros less there are only
18 teams in the Bundesliga.
The contract is valid for Bundesliga and 2nd Bundesliga. As you can see
in above list non-CL-playing English clubs make more than twice as much
tv money as their German counterparts.
Post by Benny
Where English clubs lead is in terms of
matchday revenue i.e. ticket sales and the reason for this is not only
because of the extortionate prices but also because most matches, unlike
in all the other leagues, are NOT broadcast live. More matches on TV =
lower attendances.
The Bundesliga is living proof against this. Via Premiere (Pay-TV) you
can watch every Bundesliga game live - and I surely don't need to
mention which league has the highest average attendance. It can even be
argued that the surge in Bundesliga attendances in the 90s was started
by a bigger tv presence of the league.
Post by Benny
Rank Club Matchday Revenue
1 Man United 102.50
2 Chelsea 83.70
3 Bayern Munich 72.10 *
4 Barcelona 66.10
5 Real Madrid 63.70
6 Arsenal 55.40
7 Newcastle 52.20
8 Liverpool 49.00
9 Celtic 46.50
10 Milan 38.10
11 Inter 35.70
12 Tottenham 31.20
13 Roma 27.90
14 Everton 27.70
15 Valencia 24.10
16 Schalke 23.30
17 Juventus 22.80
18 Manchester City 22.30
19 Lyon 20.40
20 Lazio 14.60
The list is incomplete, e.g. Dortmund (avg. att. nearly 80k) is not in
there and HSV, too, make more money at the gates than Lazio. First I
wondered if this was a list only including clubs who took part in the CL
- but Man City, Newcastle, Everton and Spurs speak against this.
Post by Benny
In terms of commercial revenue the European giants have caught up,
Rank Club Commercial
1 Real Madrid 124.00
2 Bayern Munich 117.40
3 Juventus 82.20
4 Man United 72.20
5 Barcelona 62.80
6 Milan 57.90
7 Schalke 57.60
8 Liverpool 56.70
9 Chelsea 55.10
10 Arsenal 44.00
11 Inter 38.30
12 Tottenham 35.50
13 Newcastle 35.40
14 Manchester City 29.10
15 Roma 27.40
16 Lyon 26.70
17 Lazio 24.40
18 Celtic 20.90
19 Everton 17.40
20 Valencia 16.40
I wonder how these numbers are made up. Schalke making 57.60 by
sponsoring? Ridiculous. This number must include other kinds of
payments, e.g. the one-off payment by Schechter which is just another
kind of loan and therefore at the very least dodgy to put into a revenue
list.

Because of obvious faults (clubs not included for no obvious reason) and
tainted sums (Schalkes commercial income) I consider this list broken.
:P


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Benny
2006-02-19 18:27:43 UTC
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Subject : deloitte money league
Nice list. Apart from Bayern whose numbers are joint for TV and ticket
sales the first BL club comes in a distant 20th.
The contract is valid for Bundesliga and 2nd Bundesliga. As you can see
in above list non-CL-playing English clubs make more than twice as much
tv money as their German counterparts.
Things will change when the new TV contract comes into effect next
season.
The Bundesliga is living proof against this. Via Premiere (Pay-TV) you
can watch every Bundesliga game live - and I surely don't need to
mention which league has the highest average attendance. It can even be
argued that the surge in Bundesliga attendances in the 90s was started
by a bigger tv presence of the league.
The Bundesliga is the exception to the rule. Serie A attendances have
declined rapidly in recent years and in England cup matches broadcast on
TV usually have poor attendances.
The list is incomplete, e.g. Dortmund (avg. att. nearly 80k) is not in
there and HSV, too, make more money at the gates than Lazio. First I
wondered if this was a list only including clubs who took part in the CL
- but Man City, Newcastle, Everton and Spurs speak against this.
The list isn't incomplete. The ranking is based on total revenue from
matchday, broadcast and commercial income so while Dortmund take in more
at the gate than Lazio they probably don't take in more from commercial
and broadcasting sources and that's why they didn't make the list.
I wonder how these numbers are made up. Schalke making 57.60 by
sponsoring? Ridiculous. This number must include other kinds of
payments, e.g. the one-off payment by Schechter which is just another
kind of loan and therefore at the very least dodgy to put into a revenue
list.
'A 7% growth in revenues to e97.4m (£65.8m) moved Schalke up three
places to 14th in its third successive appearance amongst the Top 20
clubs. Commercial revenues are the largest contributor to the club's
overall total at e57.6m (£38.9m) (59% of the total). The principal
contributors to this total are a shirt sponsorship deal with insurance
company Victoria, and a ten-year stadium sponsorship deal with brewer
Veltins. Broadcasting revenue totalled e16.5m (£11.2m), the lowest of
any Money League club, despite its second place finish in the
Bundesliga, and 2004/05 being the first year of a new two-year broadcast
contract with Premiere. In part this is due to the low value of
Bundesliga broadcast deals compared to its European rivals. However, new
improved contracts negotiated with a consortium of cable operators from
2006/07, mean that this balance is likely to be redressed in future
seasons.

Schalke's average home match attendance in 2004/05 was over 60,000,
although the relatively low price of tickets means matchday revenues
totalled just e23.3m (£15.7m). Qualification for the 2005/06 Champions
League means that the club's position in next year's Money League looks
secure.'

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Sven Mischkies
2006-02-19 19:01:54 UTC
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Post by Benny
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Nice list. Apart from Bayern whose numbers are joint for TV and ticket
sales the first BL club comes in a distant 20th.
The contract is valid for Bundesliga and 2nd Bundesliga. As you can see
in above list non-CL-playing English clubs make more than twice as much
tv money as their German counterparts.
Things will change when the new TV contract comes into effect next
season.
Not by much, BL clubs will each get around 5m more or so, the EPL clubs
will still get about twice as much tv money.
Post by Benny
The Bundesliga is living proof against this. Via Premiere (Pay-TV) you
can watch every Bundesliga game live - and I surely don't need to
mention which league has the highest average attendance. It can even be
argued that the surge in Bundesliga attendances in the 90s was started
by a bigger tv presence of the league.
The Bundesliga is the exception to the rule. Serie A attendances have
declined rapidly in recent years and in England cup matches broadcast on
TV usually have poor attendances.
Who takes the FA Cup seriously nowadays? Regarding Serie A there surely
are other reasons/causes for the decline of the attendances.
Post by Benny
The list is incomplete, e.g. Dortmund (avg. att. nearly 80k) is not in
there and HSV, too, make more money at the gates than Lazio. First I
wondered if this was a list only including clubs who took part in the CL
- but Man City, Newcastle, Everton and Spurs speak against this.
The list isn't incomplete. The ranking is based on total revenue from
matchday, broadcast and commercial income so while Dortmund take in more
at the gate than Lazio they probably don't take in more from commercial
and broadcasting sources and that's why they didn't make the list.
Then the list would have been more interesting if it included more
clubs. At least the specialised lists for matchday, broadcast and
commercial income are of limited use as many clubs who would have made
these lists are not included in the "money league".
Post by Benny
I wonder how these numbers are made up. Schalke making 57.60 by
sponsoring? Ridiculous. This number must include other kinds of
payments, e.g. the one-off payment by Schechter which is just another
kind of loan and therefore at the very least dodgy to put into a revenue
list.
'A 7% growth in revenues to e97.4m (£65.8m) moved Schalke up three
places to 14th in its third successive appearance amongst the Top 20
clubs. Commercial revenues are the largest contributor to the club's
overall total at e57.6m (£38.9m) (59% of the total). The principal
contributors to this total are a shirt sponsorship deal with insurance
company Victoria,
6m Euro per season.
Post by Benny
and a ten-year stadium sponsorship deal with brewer
Veltins.
I do not know the correct numbers, but the media guessed about 5m per
year. 46 to go. Weird. Maybe this includes one-off payments? Maybe
Schalke is generating a lot of additional income with other events in
their stadium? No idea.

Generally the bigger clubs in the Bundesliga gather around 30m
sponsoring money per season, so some would have made the commercial
revenue list, too.


Ciao,
SM
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Christian Ziege: "Vom HSV lernen heißt Siegen lernen."
R. Fowler: "Sure, I was an Evertonian, but I wasn't stupid: deep
down [..] I always knew that Liverpool were the better side.
Benny
2006-02-19 20:28:09 UTC
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Not by much, BL clubs will each get around 5m more or so, the EPL clubs
will still get about twice as much tv money.
These figures are from World Soccer :

League Broadcaster em pa
Ligue 1 Canal+ 626
Premiership BSKYB 498

Reuters reported the Bundesliga clubs signed a 420 million euro deal
with Arena.
Who takes the FA Cup seriously nowadays? Regarding Serie A there surely
are other reasons/causes for the decline of the attendances.
The crap stadiums play a role but everyone blames TV in Italy. As for
England it's not just the FA Cup, Chelsea's home attendances in the
Champions League haven't been very good.
Then the list would have been more interesting if it included more
clubs. At least the specialised lists for matchday, broadcast and
commercial income are of limited use as many clubs who would have made
these lists are not included in the "money league".
Here are the next 25 :

21 Rangers 81.60
22 Borussia Dortmund 79.00
23 Bolton Wanderers 78.60
24 Bayer Leverkusen 78.20
25 Middlesbrough 77.00
I do not know the correct numbers, but the media guessed about 5m per
year. 46 to go. Weird. Maybe this includes one-off payments? Maybe
Schalke is generating a lot of additional income with other events in
their stadium? No idea.
Possibly. Revenue from catering and functions is included.

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Sven Mischkies
2006-02-19 21:16:58 UTC
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Post by Benny
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Not by much, BL clubs will each get around 5m more or so, the EPL clubs
will still get about twice as much tv money.
League Broadcaster em pa
Ligue 1 Canal+ 626
Premiership BSKYB 498
Reuters reported the Bundesliga clubs signed a 420 million euro deal
with Arena.
Yes, it is a big improvement, but the deal is for Bundesliga and 2nd
Bundesliga. A quarter or so goes to the second Bundesliga. How much tv
money do EPL clubs get for League Cup and FA Cup games?
Post by Benny
Who takes the FA Cup seriously nowadays? Regarding Serie A there surely
are other reasons/causes for the decline of the attendances.
The crap stadiums play a role but everyone blames TV in Italy. As for
England it's not just the FA Cup, Chelsea's home attendances in the
Champions League haven't been very good.
Chelsea is a grey mouse with a rich owner, of course their attendances
could be better.


Ciao,
SM
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Christian Ziege: "Vom HSV lernen heißt Siegen lernen."
R. Fowler: "Sure, I was an Evertonian, but I wasn't stupid: deep
down [..] I always knew that Liverpool were the better side.
Benny
2006-02-20 15:16:41 UTC
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Subject : deloitte money league
Yes, it is a big improvement, but the deal is for Bundesliga and 2nd
Bundesliga. A quarter or so goes to the second Bundesliga.
I see.
How much tv
money do EPL clubs get for League Cup and FA Cup games?
I have no idea, £500,000?
Chelsea is a grey mouse with a rich owner, of course their attendances
could be better.
Note how 'poor' they perform commercially, behind Liverpool in 9th
place. Chelsea are not a popular club, you won't see many people jumping
on this particular bandwagon.

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