Post by Dotstir Post by Zlata Militaru
You had me there on the World Cup, until the end when you give Portugal
as the "moral" winner in a final played against Germany.
John Shocked doesn't understand that the chain of events post a certain
event would likely have been completely different
had that even been changed. For example he talks about send offs that should
not have happened, or sending offs that should
have but did not. Regardless of whether his perceptions are right or wrong,
being the latter 100% of the time, goals that came
after the event that he wants changed may not have happened that way or at
Wait - Shocked and Fairfootball are the same person?
Damn, I'm a retard for missing that.
Anyway - one problem I see with basing an entire world cup
hypothetically only on sending offs and calls is that he is ignoring
other events which also may have been influenced by previous games which
would have an impact on the next game. I mean, it's impossible to change
the refereeing results while leaving everything else constant.
Refereeing decisions and the events that follow afterwards are NOT
independent variables. In a tournament, one change in events in a single
game can have repercussions in the match itself, and in the matches that
follow. It's not advanced chaos mathematics here - it's basic
In my apparently wasted post I used the example of Germany - he thinks
Germany should have beat Argentina in regular time - now *whether*
Germany should have beat Argentina if the reffing was "better," that is
another question. So, anyway, leave that aside and let's assume that in
Shocked's parallel universe Germany wins against Argentina in regulation
time. This means no extra time, which means 30 minutes of rest going
into the next game. Regulation time also means no penalties which means
no post-match fight, which means Frings wouldn't have been suspended.
This means, going into the semi's, they're better rested, full side and
Ballack less injured. Does it mean they win? Who the hell knows?
Furthermore - who the hell cares, it already happened? But, would having
more rest, Ballack healthier and Frings in the match have made a
difference in the way the Germans played? Yes, definitely. Would it have
also made a difference in the way the Italians played? Well, duh, of
course it would. So the play ITSELF would have been impacted. I mean, in
his version during the Italy match Podolski was denied a penalty toward
the end of regulation time. But, in reality, if the events in the
Argentina match had been different, then the play against Italy would
have been different. In this alternate universe it may be that Lukas
Podolski was not in the penalty area during the exact moment as he was
in real life. Maybe the play would be in the midfield, maybe the
Italians would be taking a free kick, maybe the Germans would have
already scored - we CAN'T know based on the changes already made in the
previous match. So it's really stupid to even bother constructing a
"parallel universe" world cup!
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