Post by Mike HallPost by Mark V.Post by MHI don't like PKs as a way of settling games either, but why not use
previous record in tournament instead ? In the order
1) points in all previous games except those against the last place team
in the first group
2) goal difference in above games
3) goals scored in above games
4) go through above process for all games
5) disciplinary record
6) PKs
Best suggestion so far.
The problem with that is knowing that you need only a draw before
the game.
Which is often the case in many many other situations in football - like
two legged affairs in the CL and many other cups, like FA cup ties when
the replay gives you home advantage, and like a lot of games in the
final round of the group stages of the WC and CL. We manage to survive
all those, and in spite of it, there are often good matches with goals.
If stats should be considered it should be based on the
Post by Mike Hallgame being played.
I know what you are saying, and it is a valid point.
However I find penalties very unsatisfactory, and using something like
corner kicks during the game is not as attractive to me as looking at
previous results and deciding which team has actually been better in the
whole tournament.
As I mentioned, the Mexicans use standings during the regular season to
resolve ties after two legs in their twice -a-year playoffs.
Let's look at the last two for results:
Apertura 2005
Quarterfinals
First Legs
[Nov 30]
Tecos 0-3 Monterrey
[Guillermo Franco 5, 53, Carlos Casartelli 87]
Pachuca 2-0 Necaxa
[Luis Landín 16, Juan Carlos Cacho 33]
[Dec 1]
Toluca 1-0 Cruz Azul
[Carlos Esquivel 62]
Tigres 1-3 América
[Julio César Santos 77; Kleber Pereira 40, Pavel Pardo 62,
Cuauhtemoc Blanco 70]
Second Legs
[Dec 3]
Monterrey 4-0 Tecos
[Guillermo Franco 1, Carlos Casartelli 72, Luis Ernesto Pérez 74, 80]
Necaxa 0-2 Pachuca
[Luis Ángel Landín 27, Gabriel Caballero 46]
[Dec 4]
América 1-4 Tigres
[Kléber Pereira 53; Sixto Peralta 17, Walter Gaitán 20, 34,
Julio César Santos 89]
Cruz Azul 0-0 Toluca
Semifinals
First Legs
[Dec 7]
Tigres 1-0 Monterrey
[Sixto Peralta 54]
[Dec 8]
Pachuca 0-0 Toluca
Second Legs
[Dec 10]
Monterrey 2-1 Tigres
[Luis Ernesto Pérez 57, Guillermo Franco 85; Walter Gaitán 73]
[Dec 11]
Toluca 2-1 Pachuca
[Paulo da Silva 10, Carlos Esquivel 43; Sergio Santana 33]
NB: Monterrey qualified on better season record
Final
First Leg [Dec 15]
Toluca 3-3 Monterrey
[Vicente Sánchez 32, José Manuel Abundis 45, Rodrigo Díaz 87;
Luis Ernesto Pérez 3, Carlos Casartelli 8, Paulo César da Silva 61og]
Second Leg [Dec 18]
Monterrey 0-3 Toluca
[Vicente Sánchez 50, 90+1, Rodrigo Díaz 90+3]
Toluca champions Apertura 2005
Clausura 2006
Quarterfinals
First Legs
[May 3]
Toluca 2-1 Cruz Azul
[Ismael Valadez 10, Vicente Sánchez 47; César Villaluz 82]
San Luis 1-0 Atlante
[Sebastiao Pereira 69]
[May 4]
Morelia 2-1 Pachuca
[Rafael Márquez 22, Luis Gabriel Rey 90+3;Richard Nuñez 3]
Guadalajara 2-3 Jaguares
[Sergio Ávila 33, Alberto Medina 85; Salvador Cabañas 42, 51,
Luis Alonso Sandoval 90+2]
Second Legs
[May 6]
Cruz Azul 1-1 Toluca
[Miguel Sabah 90; Ismael Valadez 7]
Atlante 0-0 San Luis
[May 7]
Pachuca 3-1 Morelia
[Richard Nuñez 2, Nelson Cuevas 43, Luis Angel Landín 56;
Luis Gabriel Rey 70]
Jaguares 2-4 Guadalajara
[Walter Jimenez 1, Salvador Cabañas 52; Edwin Borboa 23,
Diego Martinez 31, Adolfo Bautista 82, Johnny García 90]
Semifinals
First Legs
[May 10]
Toluca 1-2 San Luis
[José Manuel Abundis 76; Leonel Olmedo 42, Ángel Reyna 62]
[May 11]
Guadalajara 1-2 Pachuca
[José Antonio Patlán 50; Richard Núñez 55, Héctor Castro 88 og]
Second Legs [May 13]
San Luis 2-1 Toluca
[Ángel Reyna 18, Octavio Valdez 50; Israel López 52]
Pachuca 2-3 Guadalajara
[Richard Nuñez 58, Aquivaldo Mosquera 90+3; Omar Esparza 38,
Adolfo Bautista 64, 71]
NB: Pachuca qualified on better season record
Final
First Leg [May 18]
San Luis 0-0 Pachuca
Second Leg [May 21]
Pachuca 1-0 San Luis
[Richard Nuñez 79]
The tiebreaker of better season record was only invoked twice,and to me
it is better than away goals or PKs - results would seem to support it.