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Copa America QF 2024 Arg v Ecu (R)
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Mark
2024-07-04 11:15:27 UTC
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Why is this match being played today? Ie 1 match today, 1 tomorrow and 2
on Saturday, as opposed to 2 on each day or all 4 on separate days?
Jesus Petry
2024-07-04 15:08:03 UTC
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Why is this match being played today? Ie 1 match today, 1 tomorrow and 2
on Saturday, as opposed to 2 on each day or all 4 on separate days?
I think it makes perfect sense. Nightly games on weekdays, but
Saturday gets a daytime match.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Binder Dundat
2024-07-04 19:23:48 UTC
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Why is this match being played today? Ie 1 match today, 1 tomorrow and 2
on Saturday, as opposed to 2 on each day or all 4 on separate days?
Because any match featuring Kanada is such a big worldwide event it must
be played on it's own.

As for the game today, which also is a Messi match, so it must also be
played on it's own, may not even feature Messi.
Binder Dundat
2024-07-05 00:30:34 UTC
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Post by Mark
Why is this match being played today? Ie 1 match today, 1 tomorrow and 2
on Saturday, as opposed to 2 on each day or all 4 on separate days?
Because any match featuring Kanada is such a big worldwide event it must
be played on it's own.
As for the game today, which also is a Messi match, so it must also be
played on it's own, may not even feature Messi.
Ok, Messi is playing, everyone can breath a huge sigh of relief. The
head to head record between Argentina is 24 wins for the Argies and 4
for Ecuador and it is hard not to predict another Argentina win. I
guess for the Canadian and Venezuelan fans, they will hope it ends 2-2
with 50 cards flying, going to penalties with thunder and lightning
storms and the game taking 12 hours to play.

It is funny how a lot of people are saying Ronaldo should not be playing
for Portugal, he is a bother and is bad for the team and all that kinda
thing. You dont hear that about Messi and Argentina.
Binder Dundat
2024-07-05 02:59:57 UTC
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Post by Mark
Why is this match being played today? Ie 1 match today, 1 tomorrow and 2
on Saturday, as opposed to 2 on each day or all 4 on separate days?
Because any match featuring Kanada is such a big worldwide event it
must be played on it's own.
As for the game today, which also is a Messi match, so it must also be
played on it's own, may not even feature Messi.
Ok, Messi is playing, everyone can breath a huge sigh of relief.  The
head to head record between Argentina is 24 wins for the Argies and 4
for Ecuador and it is hard not to predict another Argentina win.  I
guess for the Canadian and Venezuelan fans, they will hope it ends 2-2
with 50 cards flying, going to penalties with thunder and lightning
storms and the game taking 12 hours to play.
It is funny how a lot of people are saying Ronaldo should not be playing
for Portugal, he is a bother and is bad for the team and all that kinda
thing.  You dont hear that about Messi and Argentina.
It looks like it is going to penals, there is no Extra time in the Copa
until the final I think. Ecuador certainly had chances, including a pk
from Valencia that hit the post,but waited until the 92 minute to tie
the game at 1-1. They actually had another chance in the 96 minute to
win it. Is this the biggest upset in the history of the Universe?
Lléo
2024-07-05 05:35:18 UTC
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From NRG Stadium, Houston:

Argentina 1-1 Ecuador (Argentina wins 4-2 on penalties)

As expected, Ecuador presented a bigger challenge than Argentina's first
round opponents, while the incumbent champions didn't seem to be at
their best. Lisandro Martinez scored his first goal ever for Argentina
in the 35', heading in a corner kick swung in by Messi (who otherwise
had a very discrete match). Ecuador was awarded a penalty in the 61st
minute, but Enner Valencia fired it at the post. It seemed this would be
the key moment of the match, but Ecuador kept pressing on and found the
equalizer in the last minute of time added on, by Kevin Rodriguez.

In Copa America, only the final goes to extra time in the event of a
draw. Quarters and semis go straight to penalties.

Messi took the first penalty for Argentina. He took it a la Panenka, a
bit like Zidane in the 2006 World Cup final, but the ball went a bit too
high this time, hit the crossbar and went out. No shades of the 2016
final, though (where Messi also missed Argentina's first penalty), as
Dibu Martinez saved Ecuador's first and second shots and all other four
Argentinian penalties were generally very well taken.

Argentina dodged a really close bullet on this one. Not sure if Messi
was not fully fit or just had a poor game, but they might consider
resting him for a half or so in the semifinals. Emiliano Martinez saved
the day for them today.

I though Ecuador would fold after Enner Valencia's penalty miss, but
they soldiered on and deserved to find the equalizer. But they still
carry an undesirable "record" in Copa America: the last time they beat a
Conmebol opponent in the tournament was in 2001, a 4-0 first round win
over Venezuela. Since that one, it's been 28 games, 3 wins, 9 draws and
16 losses, with these three wins coming against Concacaf opponents:
Mexico 2015, Haiti 2016 and Jamaica 2024. A bit odd, considering they
qualified to four World Cups since, playing every opponent twice each time.

So, there it is. Tomorrow Venezuela vs Canada and we'll know Argentina's
semifinal opponent.


Best regards,

Lléo
Mark
2024-07-05 19:05:51 UTC
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Ecuador's coach has been sacked now. They had a decent Copa America and
aren't doing badly in the World Cup qualifiers, so I don't understand
why!

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