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THE EPL 2023 / 2024 SOPHCON [R implied or direct]
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anders t
2023-07-22 10:04:54 UTC
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The Doctor
2023-07-22 14:20:01 UTC
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Of course the predictions are back!

Hey MH! are the results in?

Germany is answered for!

Also when does the rest of Europe start?
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anders t
2023-07-25 10:40:38 UTC
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REMINDER!
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anders t
2023-07-28 09:34:13 UTC
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REMINDER!
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Futbolmetrix
2023-07-28 21:09:11 UTC
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REMINDER!
Will start working on this soon!
MH
2023-08-04 04:32:00 UTC
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REMINDER!
Will start working on this soon!
I am halfway done.
Jesus Petry
2023-08-04 11:57:40 UTC
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Will start working on this soon!
I am halfway done.
Like St. Lawrence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lawrence#Martyrdom

Tchau!
Jesus Petry
MH
2023-08-07 02:33:52 UTC
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Will start working on this soon!
I am halfway done.
Like St. Lawrence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lawrence#Martyrdom
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Half baked might be a more precise description of my entry
anders t
2023-08-05 10:21:03 UTC
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REMINDER
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anders t
2023-08-10 12:30:42 UTC
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REMINDER!
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anders t
2023-08-10 12:34:47 UTC
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ENTRIES SO FAR
Goalprojection (by Steve J)
Jesus P
Michael H
Werner P

And mine:
0,1995 0,5201 0,1000 0,1801 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,0100 0,0001 0,0500 0,5685 0,3712 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2500 0,3996 0,3500
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,3500 0,4501 0,1995
0,0001 0,0100 0,1000 0,2000 0,6897 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2500 0,4496 0,3000
0,0001 0,1000 0,1000 0,4998 0,2000 0,1000 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,3500 0,4501 0,1995
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2500 0,4496 0,3000
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,3500 0,3996 0,2500
0,1995 0,4501 0,1000 0,2501 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2000 0,3996 0,4000
0,3999 0,5996 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001
0,1995 0,5201 0,1000 0,1801 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,5390 0,2487 0,2119 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2500 0,3996 0,3500
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,2000 0,3996 0,4000
0,0001 0,2500 0,2500 0,3769 0,1228 0,0001 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0500 0,6185 0,3311 0,0001
0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,0001 0,3500 0,3996 0,2500
(Might still change mine tomorrow, but I'll let you know if so.)
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Futbolmetrix
2023-08-10 13:26:27 UTC
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ENTRIES SO FAR
Goalprojection (by Steve J)
Jesus P
Michael H
Werner P
Just sent mine in. Club Elo and TransferMarkyt versions hopefully soon and before deadline
anders t
2023-11-23 21:31:24 UTC
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Just in!

STANDINGS AFTER ROUND 12

CLELO -21,8035886683322 BOT
FM___ -21,9374478984283 HUM
GOPRO -22,8575639357266 BOT
CLEL+ -23,7416959861234 BOT
MH___ -24,9505018072949 HUM
TRMAR -25,1627998168361 BOT
WP___ -25,2920754437867 HUM
TRMA+ -26,0080719777357 BOT
JP___ -28,3917638014556 HUM
AT___ -28,5838045887861 HUM
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anders t
2024-05-16 06:29:40 UTC
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I'll endeavour to submit the standings in due time before the last round.
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anders t
2024-05-16 14:51:21 UTC
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Standings after 37 rounds!

TRMAR -19,6520381936815
FM___ -21,2150188327753
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
GOPRO -22,9413455916971
CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
WP___ -25,1897386430432
AT___ -30,4897370084855
JP___ -30,7455695460941
MH___ -31,7074560733793
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anders t
2024-05-21 21:03:39 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS

TRMAR -19,6520381936815
FM___ -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
GOPRO -22,9413455916971
CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
WP___ -25,1897386430432
AT___ -30,4897370084855
JP___ -30,7455695460941
MH___ -31,7074560733793
AGGIE -35,8422982536103 --- BWAHAHA!!!
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Werner Pichler
2024-05-22 22:07:08 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS
TRMAR -19,6520381936815
FM___ -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
GOPRO -22,9413455916971
CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
WP___ -25,1897386430432
AT___ -30,4897370084855
Honest question, does your belief in Man United impact your performance
in these?

Ciao,
Werner
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JP___ -30,7455695460941
MH___ -31,7074560733793
AGGIE -35,8422982536103 --- BWAHAHA!!!
anders t
2024-05-23 05:53:23 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS
TRMAR -19,6520381936815
FM___ -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
GOPRO -22,9413455916971
CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
WP___ -25,1897386430432
AT___ -30,4897370084855
Honest question, does your belief in Man United impact your performance
in these?
You judge:
I had Man United at .1801 as 6-7 and .0001 as 8-12.
Lost me about 8 points.
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Ciao,
Werner
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JP___ -30,7455695460941
MH___ -31,7074560733793
AGGIE -35,8422982536103 --- BWAHAHA!!!
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Werner Pichler
2024-05-23 11:00:39 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS
TRMAR -19,6520381936815
FM___ -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
GOPRO -22,9413455916971
CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
WP___ -25,1897386430432
AT___ -30,4897370084855
Honest question, does your belief in Man United impact your performance
in these?
I had Man United at .1801 as 6-7 and .0001 as 8-12.
Lost me about 8 points.
Ok so if you had flipped those two values around it
would have been you instead of Daniele who would
have become Best of the Hoomans?

But to be fair, nobody would have realistically done
that, so I guess the real question is how much did
your probabilities deviate from the (overall, or just human) average?

Ciao,
Werner
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Ciao,
Werner
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JP___ -30,7455695460941
MH___ -31,7074560733793
AGGIE -35,8422982536103 --- BWAHAHA!!!
MH
2024-05-23 18:52:34 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS
TRMAR    -19,6520381936815
FM___    -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
TRMA+    -22,5756783759849
GOPRO    -22,9413455916971
CLELO    -23,0226359504874
CLEL+    -24,2376960063206
WP___    -25,1897386430432
AT___    -30,4897370084855
Honest question, does your belief in Man United impact your performance
in these?
Mine certainly did ! I assigned a very low probability to them being
outside the top 7.
Also scored poorly on Villa.
Post by Werner Pichler
Ciao,
Werner
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JP___    -30,7455695460941
MH___    -31,7074560733793
AGGIE    -35,8422982536103 --- BWAHAHA!!!
Futbolmetrix
2024-05-24 19:12:25 UTC
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FINAL STANDINGS
FM___ -21,2150188327753 --- Hell FM! Ruler Of The Human Universe!!
Yay!
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TRMAR -19,6520381936815
TRMA+ -22,5756783759849
Interesting that TransferMarkt+, which is supposed to be a better
prediction than simple TransferMarkt, did better here.
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CLELO -23,0226359504874
CLEL+ -24,2376960063206
Same for Club Elo and Club Elo+
anders t
2024-05-27 17:56:00 UTC
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HUMAN COLLECTIVE

-23,7647

0,4308 0,4430 0,0478 0,0322 0,0361 0,0101 0,0001 /// -0,8421 Man City
0,1763 0,5300 0,0998 0,1262 0,0574 0,0102 0,0001 /// -0,6348 Arsenal
0,1599 0,4783 0,1290 0,1651 0,0573 0,0102 0,0001 /// -0,7375 Liverpool
0,0013 0,0400 0,0361 0,1294 0,4912 0,2532 0,0488 /// -3,2194 Aston Villa
0,0160 0,2460 0,1330 0,2907 0,2927 0,0210 0,0001 /// -2,0174 Tottenham
0,0522 0,3220 0,1050 0,3270 0,1576 0,0362 0,0001 /// -1,1179 Chelsea
0,0181 0,3018 0,1505 0,2851 0,1575 0,0569 0,0302 /// -1,2548 Newcastle
0,1419 0,4817 0,1340 0,1850 0,0473 0,0101 0,0001 /// -3,0512 Man United
0,0011 0,0120 0,0111 0,0445 0,4596 0,3767 0,0950 /// -0,7773 West Ham
0,0001 0,0112 0,0108 0,0270 0,3836 0,4019 0,1653 /// -0,9582 Crystal P
0,0015 0,0302 0,0498 0,1702 0,5039 0,1880 0,0564 /// -0,6853 Brighton
0,0001 0,0101 0,0103 0,0214 0,2550 0,4022 0,3010 /// -1,3665 Bournemouth
0,0001 0,0101 0,0101 0,0309 0,3320 0,4319 0,1850 /// -0,8395 Fulham
0,0001 0,0110 0,0111 0,0220 0,3177 0,4290 0,2091 /// -0,8462 Wolverhampton
0,0001 0,0203 0,0103 0,0294 0,3137 0,4243 0,2019 /// -0,8573 Everton
0,0001 0,0122 0,0112 0,0376 0,3726 0,3966 0,1697 /// -0,9249 Brentford
0,0001 0,0101 0,0101 0,0201 0,2288 0,4138 0,3170 /// -0,8823 Nottingham
0,0001 0,0101 0,0101 0,0183 0,1457 0,3311 0,4847 /// -0,7243 Luton
0,0001 0,0101 0,0101 0,0197 0,2107 0,4396 0,3097 /// -1,1722 Burnley
0,0001 0,0101 0,0101 0,0183 0,1797 0,3568 0,4250 /// -0,8557 Sheffield U
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